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Worthy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 511 |
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Worthy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 511 |
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Sadly you are missing the issues involved and the point of the petition completely. This is a global issue, it affects every cat sailor in the world. Therefore every cat sailing country is talking to their ISAF representatives and taking action. There are people from many countries who have signed the petition, a few are: Australia New Zealand Russia Spain Holland USA Italy France Germany and the list goes on. This is an International PR nightmare for the RYA! Edited by Worthy |
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Stuart O ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jul 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514 |
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Come on Jim tell us which bit? fact RYA want to drop Youth cats fact RYA is not supporting a multihull in 2012 IMO in doesnt take Einstein to work out that the 2 are linked, by removing one of the feeder systems to the other it will starve the other. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Which bit? Well, this would be a more accurate text...
The RYA has recently made many submissions to ISAF for theNovember Conference. These submissions by the RYA were made using the normal committee procedures used by the RYA in determining every submission, of which there are dozens every year. Amongst these submissions is one which suggests that the unpopular Catamaran event at the youth Worlds is replaced by a dinghy event using the more popular 29er class. Another makes eight recommendations for the ten classes at the 2012 Olympics, which recommendations include neither catamaran nor keelboat classes. We request that these particular submissions are withdrawn before the ISAF conference in early November and replaced by alternative submissions which support the use of catamarans both in future Olympics (2012 and beyond) and for youth training. As has been noted above there is no evidence youth catamran classes feed the the Olympic class - indeed what evidence there is suggest that they positively do not. When I see the performance of something like a Tornado, A class or other big cat I am not suprised that they don't need youth classes to feed them, as they look to be superb boats in their own right without any need to funnel sailors into them. As an Canoe sailor who previously sailed Cherubs (with 25 years of being the only skiff type boat in the UK) I have never regarded the RYA "progressions" as being on my side: quite the opposite. Edited by JimC |
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Worthy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 511 |
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You forget Leigh McMillain. He was involved in the advent of the H16 squad. Also, the RYA cancelled the olympic development squad before the second wave of youth sailors were able to make the jump to the olympic squad making you whole comment irrelevant as the RYA have never given them the chance! Edited by Worthy |
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Stuart O ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jul 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514 |
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Still show us where in this petition does it say the the RYA youth cat is a feeder? The RYA has recently made submissions to ISAF to remove the catamaran as a youth boat for 2009, and to remove the catamaran as an Olympic boat for 2012. Without playing semantics with you what your proposing has the same meaning as the above which is the wording in the petition. In regard to training and natural progression can we see your evidence for this. I will concede to the beauty of a cat and its performance as I too came from the monohull route and saw the error of my past Edited by Stuart O |
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BarneyS ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6 |
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Before this becomes all out war could I quietly suggest that the cat sailing community sits down and carefully takes a look at what the RYA have proposed and perhaps more importantly did NOT propose. As JimC points out the petition, even in its edited form, is incorrect and misleading. He is not playing semantics (Stuart O) but pointing out that two of the 'facts' in the original petition are clearly wrong. 1) The RYA are not seeking "to remove the catamaran as an Olympic boat for 2012." (The edit added at the end of the petition in an attempt to clarify this is not clear enough - you should have changed the original wording). The petition, even in it's revised form, is still misleading. Just read the comments added AFTER the edit. From these you will see that the majority of those signing have yet to work out that the RYA are not asking for catamarans to be removed from the Olympics. 2) The RYA did NOT make these submissions "without any consultation with the sailing community". As JimC points out the RYA followed it's usual proceedure in preparing these submissions, as it did with all other submissions to the ISAF conference. As pointed out by several others in this forum thread, the RYA has a well established system of committees with representations from the sailing community being allowed at many stages. If Cat sailors don't feel represented please go and join the party. i.e. join the RYA and volunteer to get on some of the committees or get yourself elected to RYA Council.
Good luck on October 8th but please stick to the facts not prejudices or rumours. (By the way I speak as a PR professional who regularly writes press releases, consultation text and other words that MUST be factually correct. I would have lost my job if I'd been responsible for publishing the misleading and factually incorrect words in either the original or edited petition.)
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Worthy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 511 |
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As clearly stated before, the links to the submissions are clear from the site for all to see, so all are able to make up their mind with all the information available to them.
I don't know about you, but I think it common courtesy to tell someone when I am making an action that is not in their interest. That is just polite. Anyway, this is all by the by. This is now a global issue (please don't think I am referring to the petition here!) and will come down on the RYA very hard. |
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Barney S, who is on these committees, I do a lot of cat sailing, i've never met anybody who represents us?????
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Barney S We asked Bigcat earlier in the thread how to get on the committees but he didn't know. Can you shed any light on how to get on them please???? |
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