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Laser 28 - Excellent example of this great design Hamble le rice |
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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Near enough £5000 is a lot for a young person to spend on a boat. I think people who are interested in racing in their late teens would be considering a lot more boat for that money. Most 18-19 year olds will have grown to about adult size, so why race a boat which is also targeted at a younger audience. I've got a funny feeling that most 19 year olds that want to race high performance boats will be looking towards Cherubs, 4Ks and 5Ks, B14s, fireballs, 505s etc and for the price of a 500, you are starting to enter RS 800 and 49er teritory........ |
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Matt Jackson ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
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Both these arguments (cost and popular high performance boats) are both based on here and now though. Here = where you sail. It's not always representitive. you couldn't sail an RS800 or 49er on my pond. Now = brand new boat. In a few years time this boat will be available second hand a lot cheaper. I expect LDC have a life expextancy of the design of a little longer than a few years. |
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Offshoretiger ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 05 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 179 |
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hmmmmm true we were talking about brand new boats but thats what thiss class is. Surely its going to take a few years before there is a reasonable 2nd hand market? I dont exacly know how this works but I would imagine that if the boat is great and takes off as a class loads of people will want one so prices will stay high. If its not so great there is likely to be more boats for sail but your maybe less likely to want one. For someone that is student age and sailing on a budget there are lots of older classes that have been around for ages were there is a big range of 2nd hand options. 5 grand is going to get you a decent boat in pretty much any of the classes this is going up against and with all the bonuses of more class racing and more liklihood of local compation
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...yesterday I couldnt spell enginner...now I are one!......
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jamesint505 ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 75 |
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Well that looks really great
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Matt Jackson ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
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True if you are aiming an average priced boat only at the poorest demographic then you will certainly fail but that's not what LDC are saying is it? I thought what they mean is that people will start sailing the boat before they are 19 and stay with it afterwards. Most popular student boats must be Larks, Ent's, Fireflys and Laser II (looking at the people that make up the class) but that isn't because thay are the cheapest boats on the market and most students don't pack a brand new Laser II in their rucksack alongside the teddy and Pot Noodles when the 'go up'.
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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Most students race Larks, Laser 2s, Fireflys, etc as they are the classes provided for student racing. If the RS 500 is accepted for Uni fleet racing etc she would be quite successful. There are students who race fireflys etc for the Uni because its the easiest thing to do, you don't have to tow your own boat to events, however, some of the same students have their own boats which they'll race on their own time. There are students at my uni who own Cherubs, Int14s, Fireballs, 49ers, Lasers, B14s, etc but none to my knowledge own boats that the Uni races. Hopefully the RS 500 will find a good market, and it would be good to see it encourage young sailors to stay within the sport but I feel that one boat won't be able to change things much.
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Matt Jackson ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
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How many of the Cherubs, Int14s, Fireballs, 49ers, Lasers, B14s were bought new?
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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I'm not sure if any of the boats were bought new, however some of them are worth higher than the price of RS500 new. I can't speak for other unis but I'm sure you'll find that students who are really interested in sailing will already know what direction they are going in the sport, no matter what budget they are on. There are really good boats out there which cater for the student market and offer high performance sailing. However thinking about it, our Uni concentrates on Fireflys, Laser 2000s and Omegas. The RS 500 might sit well within the student fleets which our uni already has as it would be a step forward as the 500 looks more responsive than the boats we already have and would introduce sailors to trapezing etc. There are a lot of students who are learning to sail, so the 500 may not appeal to the more experienced sailors but would be ideal for the students learning to sail moving on from the boats they are currently sailing. Given the choice between racing fireflys or RS500s, I think the majority would sway in the direction of the 500.
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No. 5 ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Jul 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 115 |
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I'm sure someone must have said this before but... Do we really need another class of this type and size? I've just had a look at the LDC website and I fail to see how this boat is bringing anything new to dinghy sailing. I hope I don't sound like I'm being anti LDC or SMOD because I'm not trying to be. I'm sure it will be a decent enough product but I just don't see the point of it, except that LDC don't already have a boat of this type in their range. |
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Isis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
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Yup, thats pretty much been the jist of this whole thread... ![]() |
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