Singlehanded trap for lightweights

   there is nothing wrong with a skiff or an rs600 - they are great boats, but do require some mastery.   I guess I was thinking more of an 'entry level' type boat.  The laser 2 idea was meant to lead to considerations of something like a laser/rpx equivalent but with a trap instead of hiking, so it would be simple, accessible and affordable. Like a trainer boat for the skiff.

Poll Question: Should there be one on the market
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Yes but I wouldn't buy it	4	[9.76%]
Yes if it was cheap like a converted Laser 2	0	[0.00%]
yes if it was modern and skiff like	12	[29.27%]
put a smaller sail on the contender	0	[0.00%]
yes and it must have a kite	4	[9.76%]
yes, but no kite	2	[4.88%]
no need for such a boat	19	[46.34%]
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winging it Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958	Post Options Post Reply Quote winging it Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Singlehanded trap for lightweights Posted: 30 Oct 11 at 10:19am
	there is nothing wrong with a skiff or an rs600 - they are great boats, but do require some mastery. I guess I was thinking more of an 'entry level' type boat. The laser 2 idea was meant to lead to considerations of something like a laser/rpx equivalent but with a trap instead of hiking, so it would be simple, accessible and affordable. Like a trainer boat for the skiff.
	the same, but different...

Neptune Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jun 09 Location: Berkshire United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1314	Post Options Post Reply Quote Neptune Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 30 Oct 11 at 11:14am
	So a farr 3.7 then!
	Musto Skiff and Solo sailor

Neptune Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jun 09 Location: Berkshire United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1314	Post Options Post Reply Quote Neptune Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 30 Oct 11 at 11:16am
	I also don't see why high performance should be immediately accessible. Forsome of us its half the point what makes it even more rewarding.
	Musto Skiff and Solo sailor

ham4sand Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 27 Jul 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 452	Post Options Post Reply Quote ham4sand Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 30 Oct 11 at 12:13pm
	there was a daemon skiff thing built in america if i recall
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Pierre Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1532	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pierre Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 30 Oct 11 at 12:58pm
	High performance and ease of use are certainly not mutually exclusive. In fact, surely highly desirable from a commercial perspective?

Jack Sparrow Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jack Sparrow Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 30 Oct 11 at 4:57pm
	Winging it.... Please come and sail my Farr 3.7, I'm pretty sure it will be what you are looking for. And to anyone else interested, I am more than happy to make my boat available for people to test sail, just PM me and we can arrange a date and venue. Plus any hot shot RYA youth squad types (50-65 kg) wishing to do a few of the big winter handicap events in the Farr please also get in touch. [TUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbkWaYkF9Dw&feature=youtube_gdata_player[\TUBE] Edited by Jack Sparrow - 30 Oct 11 at 5:06pm
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winging it Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958	Post Options Post Reply Quote winging it Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 30 Oct 11 at 5:19pm
	I'm not looking for a boat for me - I am easily fat enough for my contender! I am more interested in seeing if there really is a genuine gap in the market for any kind of single hander - trap or hiking - and what it should be like. Thanks for the offer though - if I were several kilos lighter I would be there like a shot! I will mention your offer to da yoof, however; he wants to go the Warmup this year - he did some of it last year in an L2k - and would be very keen and a good test pilot. Edited by winging it - 30 Oct 11 at 5:22pm
	the same, but different...

haroosh Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 14 Jan 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 521	Post Options Post Reply Quote haroosh Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 30 Oct 11 at 6:13pm
	Hi wrighty, So I still see a use for a smaller mps rig for sub 70kg folks. As you say the current rig has quite a range from mid 70's to 100kg but for the smaller folk it would be great to have a smaller rig option. I talk to Ian Renilson a our club and he is saying that with lots more Cunningham the sail is manageable for light weights but downhill is mega breeze the sail area is still there. Anyway it would be interesting if people think there is some demand for a lightweight trapeze boat that a cut down rig mps concept is not a more popular idea. Surely a better idea than the farr in that theres lot of them around a you could change rig depending on conditions and experience....
	Keith RS100 GBR 116 (XLR8)

Wrighty Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 21 Mar 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 192	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wrighty Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 11 at 9:05am
	All anyone has to do is cut a old Musto mainsail down and change the kite to a RS700 design so that you can see better and this makes the kite smaller, the main problem for most sailors is the money to buy the boat, not many people have got 5 to 10 grand to spare.
	Wrighty

blaze720 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635	Post Options Post Reply Quote blaze720 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 11 at 9:36am
	We are not going to make it commercially anytime soon - but how experimenting with a trapeze on the Blaze ? The mast could easily take it and the wings are adjustable to suit. It is a pretty stable platform that can offer a lot of leverage and no slouch so might suit lightweights and ... Do it right and you could easily keep the boat in 'class' racing format as well by removing the 'extra' wires ... ie a low cost bit of fun without a financial bath waiting at the end of it ! Mike L.