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    Posted: 23 Jun 05 at 9:22am
could be that the new main has a larger roach, thus causing more drag the higher you try to point, or perhaps have you looked at your rake? Could be that you have too much mast rake for the wind strength, or perhaps the jib slot, if it is too open or too closed, this can affect your pointing ability, however its more often than not, that the slot is too far open, thus hindering pointing ability, you want it slightly more open in light winds on a 14, but remember this will also affect the sheeting angle for downwind sailing.
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m_liddell i can tell you if you forget your mastrake you have already lost! i was trying many different rakes untill we got our new main and now the thing starts again! should buy a nice little book to write all your numbers inside!
stefan, with my point of view i meant iīm crewing and so i concentrated on the main as it was very shifty and i only saw some times that everything looks ok. helm tells me he canīt go any higher, so i believe in him but there is defenitley something wrong!
granite we have now a new p&b fat-head main. before that one we had thise orange hyde sails. and i just donīt have a clue where all this speed comes from! was the first regatta of the year and before that we hadnīt much time for sailing due to illness and bad conditions. the conditions were normal for the mountain lakes in bavaria. a moderate breeze between 1bft and 3bft very shifty and turns of the wind within 45° (hope that sounds reasonable in english!)
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Your english is fine that's a good description. although the wind sounds a nightmare

With the big roach on the fat head, you will probably need to beast the mainsheet on more than you are used to to with the prevous main to keep the leech tight.
I would say try to avoid the cuningham till you absolutly need it as it will open the leach use low to mid mast bend if you are too overpowered before you want to loose pointing and go for speed.

What are your cap shrouds doing? The leward one should be just starting to go slack when you get fully powered up, any looser and the top mast will be bending sideways which will also affect your pointing.

Have fun and let us know how you get on and what fixes it

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If youve got a new main try heading up until your jib luffs and see how high you are in relevance - this should show whether the new main is causing the problems or whether its your settings! Try checking your rake it should be within 8m 20cm to 7m 90cm, check out http://www.i14.org/boat/training2.html

and hyde sails website to see if they have got any different tips!, remember - point high, = slow but high duh , or step of the wind slightly move back slightly on the wing and the boat will go one hell of alot faster but no where near as high. The best idea is to pinch (basically luffing in gusts - main hardly in use in strong winds when doin this) on the start line to get away or to make a layline - and once in clear air bring the bow off the wind keep her flat and on the plane!

This mainly depends on conditions the guide above is for basically when theres enough wind to twin!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Spot192 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jun 05 at 1:47pm
thanks granite! i know that the wind sounds like hell but thatīs the normal wind down here! you get used to it! those tips are really useful like yours stefan.iīll check out the rake today and look at my caps but i donīt think that the caps pull the top to one side cos we have changed it last year. but iīll check out this aswell!
your reservoir looks quite nice but the wind is really totally dead!
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I'm not a 14 sailor so I know little but a new main may mean something has changed which means the boom is not coming in as far as it used to.  Is the leach longer so that the strop needs shortening or if you have boom sheeting its the bridle at the stern.  Remember the main should come in and then the last bit of the main sheet should then pull down, thus tightening the leach.  You will go fast but not point if this isn't right.
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yeah while on the topic, how on earth do I make a 420 point, I know they arent amazing at pointing but this was ridiculose, we changed the jib setting slightly on a friends advide but still it was no where near what it should be. any words of wisdom? please...
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I assume you're set up to the class tuning guide?

http://www.420sailing.org.uk/docs/uploaded/GenTuningGuide.ht m

You then need to get the jib setting correctly with the main - two boat tuning is probably the fastest way to get the right settings (then remember to mark the positions so you can go back to them.
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Originally posted by redback

I'm not a 14 sailor so I know little but a new main may mean something has changed which means the boom is not coming in as far as it used to.  Is the leach longer so that the strop needs shortening or if you have boom sheeting its the bridle at the stern.  Remember the main should come in and then the last bit of the main sheet should then pull down, thus tightening the leach.  You will go fast but not point if this isn't right.


This is definetly true, but i doubt ur main is longer in the luff/leach even though its new, however we all know how easy it is to dajust a off the boom strop so check it!!!
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had some nice rides at the weekend and i tried some of your suggestions. the caps thing really helped but the thing that really helped in pointing higher was setting the jib higher! itīs amazing how much that changed! iīll try out next weekend the mast rake but the jib setting was the problem i think. and there is really a difference between the hyde and the p&b main.
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