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    Posted: 21 Jun 05 at 10:44am

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

. But I do feel that there should be
some sort of control put on new classes moving into a market. Call it a
Racing Class Manufacturing Licence, may be run by the RYA.
I've done it now- that will get every one talking

I'll rise to that one.

Nice idea but it would almost certainly be an illegal restraint of trade. By way of comparison, in another sport I compete in, there is an RYA-equivalent "governing body" plus other smaller contenders with their own modified rules. The main governing body tried to say anyone competing under alternative rules could be barred from its events. It's lawyers told it very quickly to back off. This all happend in public, which made it even funnier to watch.

 

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What can be achieved can be seen with the Junior (Cadet,  Mirror, Optimist and Topper) and Youth (420 and Laser) classes,  the RYA have focussed their efforts on a small number of classes.  As a result sailing at junior and youth level has flourished with large numbers competing in these classes,  just look at the Champs table.

With limited choice parents know what to buy,  so there is minimal dilution,  resources and sailors are focussed to a few key classes.

Surely this could be done at other levels without introducing restrictive practices ?

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The difference is that (rightly) the RYA focusses on Junior/Youth classes, with resources going into them. Therefore there are advantages in following their lead. The same does not apply to non-Olympic adult classes.
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I think there is a general increase in the numbers of kids sailing as a whole, the non RYA classes such as the RS Feva managed to get plenty sailing at their nationals this year!

We have probably seen the end of manufacturers constantly trying to introduce new "Racing" classes as they realise there is more money to be made in the "Leisure" end of the market with boats like the RS Vision etc.

The situation is not really much different to the situation in the 60s / 70s where a large number of new classes were formed in a relatively short time. The better ones, such as the Fireball and Hornet are around today. Others, which were large classes for a while have faded away.

Some of the "New Classes" which have been introduced are relatively specialist, such as the RS300 and despite marketing effort will never attract "average club sailors". If the design is good, (or is improved significantly as occured in the Blaze) the class will survive. A good example of this occurring is the B14. (Although this isn't a strictly a SMOD).

 

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I think that the SMOD's that will have the most trouble are those that are marketed as "high performance"  but are locked in the state of the art when they were designed

Rig design and sailing techniques have all moved on. Imagane a yoof helm who has come up through the 29er dabbled a bit with the B14 and the 49er then jumps into RS800 and gets handed a mainsheet he wont know what to do with it! The same for a crew getting into a L4000 Jib sheets what are they for?

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Is there a basic incompatibility between SMOD principles and long-term survival as a racing class?

The obvious exception is the the Laser, but even they gave way on rigging updates that serious racers had been crying out for decades. Topper introduced the centre main.

Smaller SMOD classes may be signing their own death warrants by resisting some level of development. Unfortunately, in the early years it tends to be under manufacturer control. There's also a band-wagon of owners to contend with who don't want their boats being devalued by improved models and "cheque book sailing" kicking in.

Maybe most SMODs have a 10-year lifecycle (if they're lucky) after which the manufacturer bails out. It's left to the CA to upgrade, to make up for 10-years of technological stagnation, or die.

If the CA has lost impetus by this stage, there's only one outcome

If there's still a pulse though, this point can be the making of a class, gaining their independence (if an new small builder is prepared to take them on and the manufacturer is co-operative)

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what is the point of single manufacturers why not open it to more builders but insist they all do everything the same?

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 If the design is good, (or is improved significantly as occured in the Blaze) the class will survive .....

The only real technical change was to the sail.  All hulls come and came from the same mould etc and virtually all today have converted to the revised (smaller !) sail and that change was years ago.  Finding used boats of any age can be very difficult now and pre-used prices have actually risen significantly in the last 3 years.  

The real key to class  sustainability is however not the boat, however relatively "good" - It's the people who want to race them.  If they get themselves organised the class will do a lot more than survive - it will prosper.  They can work with the manufacturer but must be fully independent and take responsibility themselves.  "We" must be the ones who organise racing, consider technical changes, write the rules, even occasionally challenge the manufacturer etc - after all it's us who pay for everything.   If you think any manufacturer is going to do it for you forever or only to benefit the customer well dream on and start counting the days !  That's not to say associations cannot work well with the builder but so many good classes start to fail because the "it's THEIR fault" attitude prevails.

Get stuck in - it's YOU that makes the difference. ... Well perhaps food for thought if you like your boat but think somebody else should be doing more .....

Regards - Mike Lyons (Blaze Class Association)

 

 

 

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i think some of the classes will be held together at some clubs around britan eg i have 6-7 B-moths at Bristol Avon Sailing Club and a few murcures.  
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Congratulation Mike on your record Blaze Nationals attendence ... you must be doing something right!

You get my vote: SMODs out ... power to the PEOPLE (and their Class Associations)

Just hope we have the same success turning our Laser 3000 'ugly duckling' into a Vandercraft 3000 'swan'.

I should add that Laser UK have been co-operative, making efforts to support a discontinued product line, and designers Bethwaite and Clark are also chipping in.

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