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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Sailing without the battens would be horrible. Sadly, once you have followed the advice on here, practice is the only way! |
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asterix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 621 |
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I realise this probably isn't quite so critical as in the 4000 or for other fully battened sails, but I sailed a laser 1 with no battens recently. Although it sailed OK on most points of sail, upwind there was no way to tension the leech so it just flapped continuously (not quite flogging but...) and wasnt great.
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Rockhopper ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Nov 07 Location: Eastry Online Status: Offline Posts: 642 |
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we sail straight off the beach in our 5000 the way we do it is crew in first he gets the plate in puts the rudder down and gets the jib ready to unfurl what ever you do dont put any kicker on untill you get into the boat as this powers the boat up same for coming in let the kicker right off before you come only this time crew out first just after he has got the plate out we used the same way when we had a 4000 and it was no problem.Just remember to let the kicker off and the main right out and turn right up head to wind at the last mintue.
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Lukepiewalker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341 |
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Without battens the balance would be off, and the drag from the flapping sail would be considerable. So handling would probably be interesting.
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Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
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English Dave ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 06 Location: Northern Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 682 |
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Make sure you have cunningham off when ashore. Although you
might think that the cunningham would depower the sail by flattening it, the reality (until you are sailing along) is different. I forget why |
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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For getting the 600 back into the harbour at Hill Head, with the wind SW (i.e. blowing across the entrance but straight onto the slipway (look for Hill Head on google maps, the one in the solent, my boat is in the dinghy park near the club house, it will make sense then)) I drop the main halfway well outside and upwind of the club house, and sail in on half a mainsail, sheeting in by pulling on one of the battens if necessary, then once past the breakwater i pull all the main into the boat and let the boat drift in on its momentum. If you can't sail the 4k in on just the jib then I recomend trying something like this. Just make sure to leave a lot more space downwind than you think you need to drop the main. |
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318 |
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FireballNeil ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 654 |
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I would just say make sure there is no kicker on
whatsoever, and get the crew to hold the boat and hop in, you need to steer and do mainsheet! also much harder to get in the back of most boats |
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Skiffybob ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 842 |
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A good technique for coming in with the wind up your backside is to spin the boat pretty-much into wind about 100yds off the beach, let the jib go, get the board right out. Then if you put the boat onto the beam and push the tiller all the way away from you (this stops the wind pointing the boat dead downwind again), she'll slide in sideways, and you use the main (grab i stright of the boom), to keep it all stable. If you need bit of forwards at any point, just pop a foot of the daggerboard back in for a few seconds. |
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12ft Skiff - Gordon Keeble and the Furry Fly-by
AC - GBR271 - Whoosh B49 - Island Alchemy |
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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That sounds funky! |
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neilgb ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 20 Oct 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 29 |
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Launching....get everything ready, crew just forward of
the rack, helm climb in over the stern and get organised, rig depowered, sheet in jib to bear away and then when ready power up the main... Don't take the battens out, use the sail controls to de power with steering..you will find that power is your friend and the 4000 is far kinder than the Vago when you have the confidence to power up Lee shore... keep it simple and stick to basics....drop the main !..unless you know what you are doing the handbrake turn is doomed to failure particularly with a daggerboard and fully battened main! Get on to the 4000 class association they will give you lots of help. The above has worked for me in my ISO/5000 and we have failed trying lots of different methods ! Good luck |
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