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Noah 
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 Topic: 505s at the Sanpan Disco...Posted: 25 Aug 09 at 4:05pm |
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From the posts on SA, it appears that most of the damage has been done by ploughing the bottom of 'Frisco bay - not what masts were designed to do!
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Posted: 25 Aug 09 at 5:25pm |
Too subtle Mike ... but I quite agree ... |
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Skiffybob
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Posted: 25 Aug 09 at 5:44pm |
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I got it. I was just surprised not to see a response from Grumph saying that what you really need is a seaworthy boat, like a Snipe |
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Norbert
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Posted: 25 Aug 09 at 6:13pm |
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AlexM
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Posted: 25 Aug 09 at 6:48pm |
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No web forum wind there!!!
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oldarn
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Posted: 26 Aug 09 at 9:45am |
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Clearly from the pics and videos the 5o5 is now a big and not young boys
toy. As previously stated by Rick, it was considered to be a seaworthy boat in big seas and winds up to gusting f7, though still today the winner don't dunk! I guess the increased number mast breakages is due to the rig not taking the jumbo kite together with the increased team weight necessary to win in wind with the large kites. The large kite of course mean more capsizes when jybing and with the inevitable inversion and shallow waters a mast breakage is likely. The average team weights of the ageing fleet is now more likely to be 200kg than 180kg, alot to hang on a mast without double spreaders! |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 26 Aug 09 at 10:06am |
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I did wonder what was going on with all those masts breaking..
It's another example of the "Class System" acting against itself. They should have at least had a look at the Alto. There should be one competing alongside them. Biggest disappointment of my recent career that the Alto didn't get the attention and exposure it rightly deserves. All the promises from the builder that it was 'off to the States' were about as hollow as his offers of rich pastures for the Halo Blaze, have these people no foresight? As to the 505 sure it's a great boat, but great in the same way you view those old racing Bentleys, way over complicated in some areas hopelessly antedeluvian in others.. Opportunity being misses imho. And what happened to Pinnel & Bax? Those bastions of the Mirror Dinghy rfwot they turned out to be.. Edited by G.R.F. |
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Alistair426
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Posted: 26 Aug 09 at 11:03am |
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Recent years have seen improved levels sailability in lots of classes and this has meant that they can be managed in conditions which, 'back in the day', would have seen everybody on the pitch-and-putt. However, those conditions are no more benign if things go wrong. A Merlin with a raking rig is eminently sailable in a Force 6 BUT the waves are no smaller and the water no deeper than it was twenty years ago when stiff, upright ali masts disuaded all but the strongest and the best.
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oldarn
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Posted: 26 Aug 09 at 12:23pm |
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[QUOTE=G.R.F.]
There should be one competing alongside them. The 5o's let me sail with them at the recent Shotley 5o5 meeting. I agreed to keep out of there way and started behind them. The beating was very intersting with the AltO only a midge slower than the better boats and that with the totally flat topped mainsail which put Geoff at 12 stone just half way out when the five O teams were fully extended. It shold have been the "final' Hyde version, but once again some factory error meant they managed to produce the same flat sail. I predict that it will be a smidge faster and with a much lighter team. Off the wind it was equally interesting the boat again just a smidge slower but with a 17m2 kite as opposed to their monsters. But significant was the importance at times of the option of being able to dead run, as do the fiveO's more often than the non swinging classes would wish to believe, perhaps up to f3. |
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Chas 505
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Posted: 27 Aug 09 at 10:20am |
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Hi there Oldarn, Good to see you at the Shotley open. On spinnakers, we all felt that the asym on your boat was a bit.....well small. I get the fact that you want to be able to sail with a scratch crew and all, but we thought that it could have been about 25% bigger with no actual major handling issues. GRF - suffice to say that if Mike Martin is binning the boat in (twice so far, is it?) then conditions out there would eat most other designs of dinghy. The tweaking is what keeps the 505 (overpowered design, right) sailable, across the range. On other subjects: Weight, I think you will find that crew weights have actually come down during the past decade - basically due to the fact that we no longer do tight reaches...even on a traingle there is just no point, you're always better saving the weight and wiring earlier on a 10-knot beat. On age, the UK fleet is delighted to have elected 2 new members to the committee in 2009 who are both under 20 yrs of age.....marketing and PR...yup that's under twenty years of age. I'm fairly sure that even the 420 fleet cannot better that. Chas - 35 yrs and feeling old...!
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