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    Posted: 25 Jan 08 at 9:05am
Originally posted by Ross


Double handed boat equals a team effort. Wind surfing and kite surfing
look fun but rather solitary and lonely.


Well that's certainly true. I think if I examine what is most enjoyable from
this new found enthusiasm is the team effort, when that boom comes
over smacks us both in the forehead and we eventually surface, we can
check each other out for signs of bleeding..

So yes in all seriousness a fair point, but you can windsurf and or kitesurf
alongside a chum, my crew and I have been windsurfing in waves
together and or racing against each other on long windsurfing boardsfor
thirty years, but probably have not enjoyed each others company more
than recently when crammed into that dodgy little boat.

But I would say this to you young "twerps" (thanks for correcting my
spelling) if, as you so obviously do, enjoy your sailing, dont live through
your lives without trying windsurfing, it's a totally different experience,
one not to be missed.
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Between the bouts of dementia, I think Grumpy actually makes many good and vaild points.  If the sport wants to attract people from outside of traditional sailing families, then much of what he says should be carefully considered. 

Anyway, I shall be at the show on the Saturday so might see some of you there.  Mine's a guinness.

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Originally posted by G.R.F

It's not a "grudge" it's the Irony of young twirps over canvassing a 12ft sled
to the point it tail walks uncontrollably just at the point you might think it
would become fun.

To me that sort of adrenaline requirement is far better served by windsurfing
or kite surfing. You go faster, or jump higher, all the stuff the young "dudes"
appear o be trying to emulate in their over powered out of control antics..

So its wide open to ridicule, well in my book at least.

The 470? Its an interclub thing, they are a way easier boat to sail than a 500,
why they even train chimps to use them.


Rather a young twerp than an old fart. Double handed boat equals a team effort. Wind surfing and kite surfing look fun but rather solitary and lonely. I don't think I’ll go back to sailing a single hander anytime soon! Enjoy your excuse for a revolution, aka the "Alto".

I hear they take degenerates for day trips 500's, it makes nice change from "the staring window".

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One is enough for this forum but it would be very very very boring without the legend that is G.R.F. If i see him at the dinghy show i will buy him a beer! I wil look aroung the cherub stand for you!  I'm sure i wont miss you GRF you will probably be the only one that stands more then 4ft
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Your book, my dear Grumpf, seems to be published in a very limited edition.
I'm sure you'll rejoice at that fact while the rest of us will be relieved that there aren't too many like you in the world.   
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It's not a "grudge" it's the Irony of young twirps over canvassing a 12ft sled
to the point it tail walks uncontrollably just at the point you might think it
would become fun.

To me that sort of adrenaline requirement is far better served by windsurfing
or kite surfing. You go faster, or jump higher, all the stuff the young "dudes"
appear o be trying to emulate in their over powered out of control antics..

So its wide open to ridicule, well in my book at least.

The 470? Its an interclub thing, they are a way easier boat to sail than a 500,
why they even train chimps to use them.

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Yeah good point- you call 470s girly and faffing around with a symmetric pole yet you sail a 500 anyway! Not exactly the most high performance boat around!
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So why do you have such a grudge against 'extreme' boats such as the 12foot skiff etc...
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Originally posted by G.R.F

  It was love at first site with the 29er,




You like kiddies boats?

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Originally posted by theycallmegod


GRF just out of interest- which boats do you actually like?


Aah, I do so like it when God speaks to me, gives me such a sense of
psychosis.

So now what Boats do I like?

I do like the MPS and enjoyed wrestling with it, it is imho a flawed design
but nevertheless offers a simple layout that is easier for the newcomer to
understand albeit it impossible to be able to sail from scratch. Had I been
ten years younger I'm sure I'd have dialed it, but even then my home
beach is not the perfect environment for such a boat, had there been
something similar with at the very least a kick up rudder it might be more
manageable.

I also enjoyed my confidence being restored in the Laser 3000 not much
wrong with it other than its size. I like the RS400 if I were looking for a
two man hiker. It was love at first site with the 29er, but it suffers the
same problems the MPS does with regards our beach.

The RS500 I still like and will continue with if the Alto doesn't prove to be
all I expect of it, but we're right at the crew weight limit so suffer as a
result.

You can't help but be impressed by a 49er, but when virtually the entire
Olympic fleet demonstrate in front of you just how ludicrously difficult
they are in dead flat water, what possible hope could we have usng one
on ours.

So that leaves the only real performance thoroughbred that's been tested
over the years, but is sadly very dated, the 505. Funny the guy who used
to win loads of stuff in five ohs back in the day was on the phone to me
today and I forgot to mention this development, so seriously if that Alto
does what it says on the tin, they wont see our backsides for spray this
upcoming season, I shall have to get some new buttless chaps to
celebrate.

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