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    Posted: 03 Sep 07 at 9:10pm
I think he's talking bull!

The forestays have a tendancy to go fairly loose in heavy airs downwind if you arnt hooked on, but not to the point of touching the deck, maybe 3-4 inches of slop at worst assuming hes put on enough tension in the first place. The boats are bullet proof so I'd say he's exagerating.

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Mike.

I was in a similar position to you a few weeks ago ... coming straight from a Topper, albeit crewing a LOT in cherubs/14's/Fireball's.

I've had the six for about 2 months now, maybe slightly less ... and I don't think the tales of 600's being massively tricky are necessarily true.

The first time I sailed was a F4, and I was using the big rig, which was just too much bearing in mind I'm about 65kg sailing with small racks which is far too light... and yes, I agree, it was f*cking hard. Could barely tack etc.

Next week, I sorted the boat for the small rig, and went out in a F3 ish. It COMPLETELY changed the boat, tacking was easy as hell, just like a 'normal' boat, and I could just be flat one the wire, helming (fairly) well. Still capsised a bit, but not too much.

Anyway, I'd say go for it mate, I'm 16 and am thoroughly LOVING it ... my suggestion would be to make sure you DO learn how to sail the boat on the small rig first, and trust me, it still has a nice load of power to give, and you'll be quicker and sailing better than if you struggle along with the big rig!

As for tension... Yeah I'm using small rig and I pull a fair amount on before I go sailing, a nice hard, pull. Never noticed any floppy forestay?

 

Hope it's helpful, feel free to PM.

 

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i havent got a problem with knowing its what i want, just this particular boat might be a bit dodgy if something bends that much. ive been mucking about in the demo boat a lot and have been doing the corresponding amount of swimming (a lot) but im getting better and am definately going to get a 600. ive nearly sorted out tacking in more then 15 knots now.
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Hi Mike,

Its fairly normal to see the forestay go slack in the 600 when sailing downwind in big breeze, its connected a pretty bendy carbon stick after all. I've always been amazed at what the mast puts up with- pitchpoling straight downwind in a 35 knot gust has to put some pretty serious stress on all parts of the rig. I do however think that this guys description of the cleat touching the deck is a bit unlikely.
The earlier boats are generally very solid and well built so don't let age put you off.
The problem with the angel mast is that it has an aluminium sleeve which tends to corrode with age if sailed in sea water, resulting in delamination and weakness just above the mast join. The mast itself is said by some to have better bend characteristics for light sailors.
Don't be instantly put off by an angel mast- if it has survived this long it probably is fine. At £1150 for a replacement mast be sure to not to scrimp on insurance for either!!!

So any other forumites coming down to the 600 nationals in Torquay??

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This angel stick has had the aluminium sleeve replaced with a carbon sleeve, will anyone complain about that? (i wont as i am a sea sailor but what would other 600 sailors say (class rules))
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 29er397 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Sep 07 at 5:10pm
Sounds like he is over exagerating about the tensioning jobbie hitting the deck. And i would also think that if an Angel mast has lasted this long, its likely to last a while longer to say the least! but still use it as an excuse to get the boat for cheaperif you can!

Im not sure about the idea of going for the small rig by the way, im not far over 65kg and i dont tend to struggle too much untill its gets very breezy and wavey. I would have thought going with the big rig all the time would soon enough improve your sailing that you wont struggle at all.

Also, buy it now and you could manage the nats next week!!!
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If it hasn't got the stupid alloy sleeve it ought to be OK...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Sep 07 at 7:56pm

Originally posted by 29er397



Also, buy it now and you could manage the nats next week!!!

where???????

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Post Options Post Options   Quote MRJP BUZZ 585 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Sep 07 at 8:35pm
Originally posted by Femto

Hi Mike,



So any other forumites coming down to the 600 nationals in Torquay??

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Edit - Sorry, this is in response to mikes question


Edited by MRJP BUZZ 585
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Sep 07 at 9:13pm
yes alright i didnt read it
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