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    Posted: 24 May 07 at 8:05am
Originally posted by Contender443

OK here is another slant on this issue. We have a Laser Open this weekend but some of our own members will not be taking part because they refuse to pay an entry fee to sail at their own club. The entry fee is only £10.00

Now that to me is tight. They should support their club by making the event both successful in terms of attendance and financially.

I have to agree, that is tight to the point of stupidity.  Why would people do that?  I don't see a difference really between entering an open at my own club or any other. 

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OK here is another slant on this issue. We have a Laser Open this weekend but some of our own members will not be taking part because they refuse to pay an entry fee to sail at their own club. The entry fee is only £10.00

Now that to me is tight. They should support their club by making the event both successful in terms of attendance and financially.

These are the same people that bring their own sandwiches to the club. We man our canteen on a rota basis and only charge £1.00 for a sandwich. The canteen makes a good profit for the club. 

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I'm a safety driver for my club (voluntary) and have done a lot of opens. We as a club put on large events, what I would say is that if you don't like paying the fees don't come!

You have to remember if we all started charging for our time then you wouldn't be doing it at all.

 Our club is a business and need to make a certain amount of money to sustain it's membership and to keep running. This is not just to let us members sail,but to run opens for visitors.It's not cheap to do opens, but it is n't about that it's about enjoying your sport and meeting other like minded people,so  I  think if you think we're charging to much stay at home, and join your local club.  

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Originally posted by jeffers

Stefan,
For pure club family membership I pay around £60/year with a 'sailing fee' of around the same.

My remark included the words "round here" and there are no local clubs offering that kind of fee "round here".

As for the price requiring four days of volunteering, people's situations vary. Personally I work freelance and time is money. 4 days of my time is actually worth quite a lot of money. 

At times I've belonged to a number of clubs and at times I've belonged to the RYA. I've always belonged to something that has allowed me to enter events within the rules and I've always paid my class associations subs. 

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Originally posted by Paul B

I seem to remember a post here recently about open meetings costing too much.

So from all of this I can summarise....

 - some people are relutctant to pay much for open meetings

 - some people are relutctant to contribute to their class associations

 - some people are relutctant to contribute to the clubs that they sail at

 - some people are relutctant to support their national association

How about providing you with free boat to use as well.  Maybe free food at the events.  Hey, let's subsidise your fuel to drive to the event as well.  The top 5 boats get their council tax paid for the year...

This is a great idea!  where do I sign up?

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Sailing is as expensive or as cheap as you wish to make it. You can bu a boat that will float and get you on the water for as little as £50. Then find a local club join it, pay for 3rd party insurance (if you are not worried about new for old cover) and you can be on the water for around £250 to £300.

In my eyes very reasonable....

But hey some people are never happy....
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I seem to remember a post here recently about open meetings costing too much.

So from all of this I can summarise....

 - some people are relutctant to pay much for open meetings

 - some people are relutctant to contribute to their class associations

 - some people are relutctant to contribute to the clubs that they sail at

 - some people are relutctant to support their national association

How about providing you with free boat to use as well.  Maybe free food at the events.  Hey, let's subsidise your fuel to drive to the event as well.  The top 5 boats get their council tax paid for the year...

If you think there are any fat cats in the sail racing arena, then you're wrong.  If you think the sport of sailing organises, polices and promotes itself for free, then you're wrong.  If you think sailing is expensive compared to other sports, then I strongly suspect you are wrong, although you are free to find out for yourself.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Garry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 07 at 9:09am

Playing devil's advocate! Why not make all opens a commercial venture, so thats £200 per day for the race officer £100 for every other member of staff plus a margin on the use of venue and equipment for wear & tear, say £1500 costs including profit for a small 1 day event with 10 - 15 boats = entry fees of £100+ per boat.  So can someone explain why there is such a reluctance to pay £25 and be a member of a club or RYA.  And sailing isn't expensive compared to the ticket prices / season tickets to a premiership football club.

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Stefan,

For pure club family membership I pay around £60/year with a 'sailing fee' of around the same.

Note I would only pay the sailing fee if I had a boat there. If I just joined the club and never sailed there I would pay the £60/year.

It is possible just look round, the smaller club are the ones who have the lowest fees but they do ask for a little bit back in terms of doing duties (I have to do 2 per year) and work parties (another 2 per year) in my eyes a very small price to pay.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 07 at 6:50am
When I was running a fairly heavy keelboat programme, I was spending at least £500 a year on regatta entry fees and if you think there is a club around here charging less than £100 a year for adult membership, think again. Whether these could be called "small" or "nominal" is a matter of opinion.
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