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Laser 28 - Excellent example of this great design Hamble le rice |
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English Dave ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 06 Location: Northern Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 682 |
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Still not sure why trapesing hurts your back more than hiking. My abs may have suffered but my back has never been better since I switched to the wire! Try a Vortex. Hector is about your size. Boom is quite high and the ride is forgiving. |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Depending on how small the lake is a trap boat may be unsuitable.
I would recommend a Byte CII, Europe or Laser Radial and if heavy enough a Blaze of course...but then again I am hopelessly biased! Just my 2p...my Blaze is always about if anyone wants to give it a try! Paul |
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NickA ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 784 |
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Byte CII for its lovely betwaithe designs rig. But the splash / flash is good too - and the rig is cheaper. The splash rig is a radial equivalent and the flash rig is a laser equivalent. Slower than either, but less hard graft too. Ultra low effort - a Comet One. Great on small ponds and rivers. |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Nick,
You ever sailed a Comet (1) in a blow....they have severe sunmarine tendancies with the mast being that close to the front of the boat! Paul |
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NickA ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 784 |
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I've overtaken lots in a blow, even in my ancient laser 1 !!! River boats really I guess, but there are a couple of older blokes at our club who are very happy with theirs on a reasonable sized lake. |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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We have a family at Hunts that sail them including the several times class champ (he hates them in a blow).
They are river boars, on our lake they seem to average the same speed as a Solo unless it is really light when they trash everything pretty much! Paul |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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As a 5'5" approx 11stone sailor with a bad back, I've been quite interested by this thread! I've sailed pretty much all the small singlehanders, so here are my views. Laser - side decks are so wide that the short legged among us find it pretty painful sitting out. Streaker - never owned one, but borrowed one and it was good fun and about the right size for a short As*. Comet - excellent in the light stuff, hell on handicap in a blow. Europe - exact opposite of the Comet - really come alive in force 4 and above, but in the light stuff the low boom and centremain made tacking a pain. British Moth - fantastic river and light wind boat with short hull and huge sails, but doesn't half nosedive in a breeze, as I found on Sunday...Solo, also currently owned - the fullybattened rig and traveller take some getting used to, but the ability to make the rig suit your weight is good. Not cheap compared to the others, though. Lightning 368 was nice to sail, but again the mast a long way forward. Topper was fine in a force 4 and above, but in anything less you need to be 8 stone. Minisail is great fun, but the rig was totally uncontrollable with a very bendy boom. Sliding seat versions good for a laugh. The Tonic was one of the best hulls for a singlehander I've had (at least in shape - the later ones didn't split in 2!) but the rig needed alot of work to make it truely fun. Most boats are a case of Oh Sh1t, splash - the Tonic gave no warning at all of the impending swim! I've not sailed the Byte since the rig changed, but on the earlier version the boat was nice and the rig truely horrible, so maybe it is now a great boat. Most of these boats are between 11 and 12 feet long, and are fairly similar in speed - what is really needed is a new design of 11 to 12' singlehander that is nearer the Laser in speed but still can be sailed by the smaller person on restricted waters. Oh, and it needs to be cheap, please! Maybe I'd better design and build it... By the way, I'd have to agree with others that trapezeing is less painful on the back, but trapezeing on 85 acres doesn't sound ideal. |
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tack'ho ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1100 |
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Trouble with that plan is to get a 12 footish boat to sail at the same speed as a laser you need it to be in non-displacement mode for much of the time. So you'd need have quite a bit of sail and a hull form more balanced toward planning. (or hydro foils!).
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I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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That is true. The Byte rig has shown what can be done with sail development, though, and has speeded the boat up, but the hull is still based on a shape that is 40 years old. Improvements in all round speed must be possible without going to extremes, and wings can help balance the rig. I guess I'm thinking that if 14 foot boats are now 30-40 points faster than the Laser without being too extreme (the Blaze for example) then a smaller boat should be able to get within 20 points, around the 1100 mark, rather than the current 1150 - 1180 levels. RS100, anyone?
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Rupert,
You should try a Blaze (shameless plug). We have a number of sailors in the class who have come from other classes and found the Blaze less of a pig and much more rewarding! Paul |
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