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    Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 11:57am

Very nice.

Photos look like you were fully trapezing in about a F2! Makes me wonder how manageable the boat would be in anything stronger, so maybe another "too far" boat (see graemef post!!).

I've thought for a while that there is a space in the market for a "tamer" trapeze single handed monohull, something your average laser sailor could move up to, possibly as a transition to the MPS/RS700 type of boat. Something like a Vareo with 10-20%more sail and a trapeze, I reckon it would sell well.

There is the Vortex (I'm a vortex sailor myself) but there seems to be a lot of prejudice against this for various reasons.

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I run about 104kg and I am one of the biggest on the water. I've been out in 20-25kts and didn't feel too over powered. 35 was a different story. The rig is very adjustable so you can depower easily. We probably don't have enough races to say exactly what the optimal weight is yet. All I know is that the last NA's were won by someone smaller than me but then he is also a top I14 sailor as well.

Speeds are very similar to the MPS but the Swift is not quite as twitchy. The boat and class are still very young so we'll have to see what a few more years sailing does for the skill level. The thing I do know is they are a blast to sail and I loved building mine as well.
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Wouldn't the Contender or RS600 fit the bill for a "tamer" trapeze s/h monohull? Or do you mean a boat with a kite too?

I know what you mean about peoples attitudes to the Vortex, though in some ways it seams to be the ideal boat for s/h with a kite.
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Oh yes, the Swift Solo looks great.
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Originally posted by iwsmithuk

 so maybe another "too far" boat (see graemef post!!).

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o, not another big argument



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Some of the races at the last NA's in Florida got into the 18kt range. I still didn't feel over powered. At my size I just started to feel like I could flatten out on the wire without having to worry about getting back in the boat in a hurry. Most of the lighter people were having issues because, for many, it was their first time in the boat and that is a lot of wind for your first time out.

You have to be careful when the kite fills. If you are not ready the boat will take off without you. As the wind picks up, you just head deeper like any other asym boat.
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Originally posted by iwsmithuk


 so maybe another "too far" boat (see graemef post!!).



Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o, not another big argument


I'd hope it doesn't turn into another one of those threads. Is it too far? I don't think so. Is it a blast to sail, hell yes! I love going out and chasing down the cats that haven't quite figured it out and some of the leadmines that think they are the fastest on the water. The boat is not impossible to sail. I am 46 and 104kg so a perfect specimine, not on your life. My reactions are slower than when I had a 505 but this boat is the most fun I've had sailing since I sold my 505. I think it is even a bigger rush. If you don't push the envelope, you'll never know your limits. For many life on the edge is what keeps us going.

It is a good thing there are so many different kinds of boats. That way there is something for everyone.
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Originally posted by No. 5

Wouldn't the Contender or RS600 fit the bill for a "tamer" trapeze s/h monohull?

The 600 is far from tame despite the lack of kite. That giant fully battened main is pretty vicious

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Sorry, should have said with a kite.

I certainly wouldn't regard the 600 or the contender as tame!

I'm sure the S Solo is a great boat as are the MPS and RS700 but there are a lot of people (like me) who are a bit older and lighter for whom boats like these have a very narrow window where they're enjoyable.

Something a bit less likely to bite you back but still with reasonable performance and all the toys (trapeze. assy etc) is what I'm talking about. 
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