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    Posted: 28 Sep 06 at 12:37am
Originally posted by timnoyce

dynamic weight isn't as bad as dead weight in the boat though.


Plenty of Cherub Champs were won with boats that much over in the days of plywood and aerolite when the min weight was a bit aspirational for most builders.

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my crew (sister) has rejected me and wants a laser now. so im not going to get laser incase she beats me in it. im now going to spend the next 6 months swimming whilst learning to sail a 600, if i can get one.
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Originally posted by timnoyce

dynamic weight isn't as bad as dead weight in the boat though.

Truth. Dynamic weight = more righting moment.
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dynamic weight isn't as bad as dead weight in the boat though.
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3kg over weight?  You could get that back by wearing a thinner wetsuit or drinking less water before the race!  Hardly think it significantly affects performance.

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Originally posted by Blobby

Some of the pearls of wisdom - 29ers get lighter with age

Polymers are pretty good at moisture takeup = heavier boat
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Originally posted by Blobby

Some of the pearls of wisdom - 29ers get lighter with age and the only problem you may get in time is the ply frames in the hull rotting out if you don't take both bungs out when not being used.

The lighter with age thing could mean that they are being built heavier now!

interesting to hear that they use plywood bulkheads that would make me wary of one that had sailed on fresh water and sat for some time.

 

 

 
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Oh come on, bad marketing to say a boat gets lighter with age.
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Originally posted by Skiffman

The hulls last a long time, and people call them fast boats because they feel faster than other boats. We had 2 boats one made in 2002 and the other in 2005, they both felt quick. But we always used the 2002 as a training boat and therefore with an old mast but we were still very quick in it. In fact looking back on it now it was going very fast at the last squad training before the worlds. The newer boat was kept for big events only,  and we used it at the worlds this year. With our older boat made in 2002 we chartered it to another team at the worlds.

Both boats were weighed at the worlds the old boat being 1.5kg underweight and the new boat was 2.9kg overweight!!!!  Which was a shock! By the end of the worlds our old boat beat us (1st and 2nd), but it was sailed my very good sailors.

So the age of the boat does not matter if the boat is set-up, down to weight and sailed by the right sailors.

I think proof to Julian's theory may be observed through your statement that your older boat was lighter than your newer boat. A sligthly educated guess would be that Julian was reckoning that the boats got lighter with time due to the fact that the polyester was given more heat exposure and time to cure. From a marketing point of view its quite bad to say that older boats get lighter with time unless there was some meaning behind it because it would be encouraging people to look for older boats that were lighter instead of buying boats straight out of the factory. Regardless of personality, it doesn't necesarily mean someone is wrong (although I can't comment on personality because I've never met the guy).
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