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Olly4088 
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 Topic: phantom/solutionPosted: 22 Jun 06 at 11:08am |
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Solo RYA Yardstick - 1155 Sail Area - 8.36sq metres Supernova RYA Yardstick - 1062 Sail Area - 8sq metres The above is why work it out for yourself
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Strawberry
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Posted: 22 Jun 06 at 11:25am |
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So because the Solo hull is a very dated and slow shape, and heavier, (and arguabley a handicap bandit), that makes the Supernova a bad boat? I don't think so sonny! You also seem to have failed to have taken into account the fact that Yardstic is based on returns, not estimated potential max speeds. Edited by Strawberry |
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Olly4088
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Posted: 22 Jun 06 at 11:37am |
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Firstly less of the sonny. And that is just my view, I'm just not a massive fan of the boat. I'm sure they are very good boats,
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Rupert
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Posted: 22 Jun 06 at 11:37am |
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I'm a little puzzled by the logic here too. The Supernova manages to be roughly 100 points faster on handicap with less sail area, so surely that makes it a "good" boat? Is "lame" the opposite of exciting? So, sorry, you'll have to explain further. Have you sailed either boat, Olly?
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Olly4088
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Posted: 22 Jun 06 at 11:42am |
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Rupert I have sailed both and much prefered the solo which i kept untill my mrs said that she was boared and wanted to start sailing again.There are lots of them at the sailing club that is just up the river from mine and they seem to do ok. I must make people aware that this is only my view i'm sure people have views on the boats and what I am saying. |
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Strawberry
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Posted: 22 Jun 06 at 12:46pm |
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The Supernova is easily one of the best sorted dinghies I've sailed. The hull is beautifully driven, and wonderfully comfortable. The rig is very efficient and controllable, by lines which are lead to both sides of the cockpit. The class is also supported by a reliable manufacturer and a passionate class. I can't understand why you have this personal vendetta towards the boat. Remember don't post like a twat. Edited by Strawberry |
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Olly4088
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Posted: 22 Jun 06 at 12:49pm |
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Its not a personal vendetta I`m just not the boats biggest fan. I dont see why you are getting so worked up about it just chill out, I`m sure there must be some boats out there that you just dont like.
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Strawberry
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Posted: 22 Jun 06 at 12:50pm |
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If I don't like a boat I have a reason not to like it. You haven't actually given one single reason not to like it, apart from the fact its about 10% more efficient than a solo!
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Matt Jackson
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Posted: 22 Jun 06 at 12:53pm |
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The Supernova is essentially a Laser with all the bugs removed but the RES is a Phantom light. I can see the market difference. In fact when I was considering a classes when changing from Sea to Pond I considered the Supernova because on paper it seems to fit the bill (I was 15stone(+) and wanted a fastish/cheapish hiker) but seeing them close up and sailing they just didn't do it for me. If the RES was around then I'm fairly sure I would have got one.
Some boats look great on paper but just have something missing you can't put your finger on - for me that's enough not to like it. Olly's gone to the trouble of sharing their opinion on something why can't you accept that? Edited by Matt Jackson |
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Olly4088
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Posted: 22 Jun 06 at 12:56pm |
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I really am struggling to understand what the problem is here. I just dont like the boat, I dont like the hull shape the pattern on the deck and for me it needed to have a bit more power lots of little things now is that good enough
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