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    Posted: 17 Apr 06 at 9:24am

I have not looked at the syllabus for any instructor courses but if you could tolerate this rather obvious question - do the Instructor courses actually teach you anything about how to teach or is it more to do with checking that you have enough sailing knowledge & ability?

 
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Yes, the emphasis of the course is meant to be on how to teach - the pre-assesment is to assess the sailing ability of potential instructors. Still I've known people who failed the pre-assesment and passed at the end of the course as they demonstrated sufficient competency during the week.
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Originally posted by Contender443

If anyone is going to do the DI course get sailing different boats. I struggled because I am so used to my Contender and have sailed little else for the last 5 years.

Yes I had to sail a wayfairer for the first time, with no rudder, F5 and big waves

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My understanding is to be on the course you need to have the skills already and it is continual assessment. If there are small gaps in knowledge these can be filled in but any great weakness may require a re-assessment at a later date. 
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Yeah, some centres will let you take the DI course even if you dont have your pre-entry, but they wont sign you off until you have it.
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Is it true they've wiped rudderless and centre-board-less sailing from the preassessment?
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Originally posted by 49erGBR735HSC

Is it true they've wiped rudderless and centre-board-less sailing from the preassessment?

Yep. I only needed to do the rudderless part but now even that has been removed. On my course I was the only one to actually make it round the triangular course with no rudder!
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I reckon that removing those parts of the assessment is a bit of a backwards step but suppose the fact that all courses have to be covered by suitable rescue boat coverage, it could be argued that instructors don't need those skills. It was a real good way of proving adequate boat handling skills though.
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But if you get your DI you are qualified to teach seamanship skills which includes rudderless sailing are you not?

 

It does seem a bit ridiculous, it is great that more people are starting to sail but if thye are going to be taught by numpties then more accidents will start happening.   Particularly as the more modern teaching boats, like stratoses instead of wafers are much harder to deal with.  (Compare righting from a rib a capsized stratos v wayfer....)
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Originally posted by elmo

But if you get your DI you are qualified to teach seamanship skills which includes rudderless sailing are you not?

 

It does seem a bit ridiculous, it is great that more people are starting to sail but if thye are going to be taught by numpties then more accidents will start happening.   Particularly as the more modern teaching boats, like stratoses instead of wafers are much harder to deal with.  (Compare righting from a rib a capsized stratos v wayfer....)

Very true. If the case was that there are more instructors than jobs, why hasn't the RYA exploited this and raised the standards of the pre-assessment which means that it is experienced sailors getting jobs and not people who have been chasing tickets. Think most reputable sailing schools will be employing based on previous experience though.
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