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    Posted: 05 Jan 06 at 8:23pm
Having sailed a blaze with both rigs i have an opinion on the blaze. WHich in my opinion was a fantastic sail even with the "older" sail, the boat does seem to sail better with the X sail though. It is overall a good boat , it's quite responive and is challenging in the heavier stuff. The 300 looks a lot more of a handfull though, as it is very tippy and looks like a bit of a pig to sail. This is only from observations mind you.
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And now for a totally biased post:

I used to have a Laser and was getting bored with sailing as a whole. I'd done the open circuit thing as a youth in both Lightning 368 and Lasers, and was at that stage where I didn't bother rigging the Laser unless it was absolutely blowing it's knockers off as it was the only guarantee of having fun. I was in need of yet another new Laser sail and my hull was getting tired as well (144K) so 18 months ago I flogged it and bought the fastest single handed hiking boat I could afford. It was a rash decision as my priorities were thus:

£2000 budget, lowest possible PY, would support a 14stone beer lover.

I had a similar conundrum and the 300 won because it was faster on Handicap. Stupid criteria I know but all I can say is that it was the right decision. Absolutely awesome boat. Immensely challenging to sail at first but once you learn to be gentle with it and not leap around like an idiot it's just beautiful. It does everything you ask of it and still surprises me every time I sail it.

The sails last ages, the hull is bulletproof and surprisingly good in big waves - at the Nationals this year, we had a solid Force 5 and 15-20 foot waves. It was beautifully behaved in the waves and that day is still the biggest buzz I've ever had in a boat. The net result is that two years ago I was planning to do a couple more seasons and then sell up and buy a cheap rallycross car and find a new way to injure myself.  Instead I'm cutting 7 days in mauritius off my honeymoon so I can afford to go to Garda for the 300 eurocup instead!

For a balanced view speak to Steve at Rooster - he's stuffed everyone in both classes a multitude of times!

As for local 300's, the legend that is Bazza Steel sails at Aldenham and a nicer guy you will not meet. The 300 is definately a growing class and it's a cracking bunch of people who just love sailing.

 

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Another biased post

I sail a Blaze but a couple of years ago decided to swap to an RS300 - After half a season I reckoned it was time to put the spare boat on the market and it took 9 months to flog the 300. Which incidentally given its age and number of owners means it must have spent a lot of its life  with a for sale sign hung round its neck.

I'm an average club sailor - usually in the front half of a fleet but not if its a good fleet. Like most I enjoy the stronger winds more than the lighter. That's why the Blaze wins. Its quick and a blast in strong winds ( 30 kn with waves is sooo much fun) The 300 is quick - if you can get it going - but unless your sail set is perfect and your commitment 100% and you are well in practise then you are going nowhere. Granted that in under 10kn the 300 is much quicker - there is so little boat in the water compared to the wider Blaze but   where do you get the fun and for most of us - let's be honest about our abilities.

Feeling quite depressed about the 300  until on the only 300 open I did I noted that out of 6 boats 3 of us were limping about and spilling wind trying to get home. Meanwhile the Blazes were yelling yeehaa. The ratbags.  The last time I sailed with 300s only 2 showed up ( Not the local good guys either) and the 6 of us in Blazes in the next start usually caught them up so the speed difference really isn't that high.

Neither is perfect neither is wholly bad Anyone thinking of one should do the usual things - See what's sailed locally and get a test sail but I'd advise get two tests - in  light and strong winds.   Its a shame the EPS has vanished as that looked to be between the two boats and might have had the best of both worlds. I never sailed one.

 

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Originally posted by Incitatus

Its a shame the EPS has vanished as that looked to be between the two boats and might have had the best of both worlds. I never sailed one.


I have. Its not a shame.
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lol

i must admit they did not look that good frem the photos

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I wondered about both boats a few years ago and opted for the Blaze which I thoroughly enjoyed sailing. I only stopped sailing Blazes because I missed 2 man sailing too much and couldn't afford 2 boats.

My reasons for choosing the Blaze over the RS300 were:

Firstly, although the RS300 is by far the more attractive looking boat, it is also significantly more difficult to sail. As I only sail once a week, I did not want to spend too much time swimming! Even Steve Cockrill has described the RS300 as one of the more challenging boats he has mastered and he is alot better sailor than me. He also enjoys the Blaze so it can't be that boring!

Secondly, the secondhand market is very active in Blazes and at the time I looked RS300s were sticking. I would always rather have a boat that can be sold when I want to sell it.

 

 

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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Incitatus

Its a shame the EPS has vanished as that looked to be between the two boats and might have had the best of both worlds. I never sailed one.


I have. Its not a shame.

We have a couple at our club, which I've borrowed on occasion, and I've enjoyed sailing them immensly. I don't think they carry weight all that well, though, but an excellent light weights boat, which the 300, certainly, isn't. We also have a couple of Blazes, which are fun to sail, though at 10 1/2 stone I feel quite small when the wind picks up.

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I'm going to be looking for a cheap 2nd boat for myself as my Mrs doesnt like the sea, any suggestions for cheap powerful single handed boats???
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ian29937 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 06 at 1:02pm

Originally posted by Jon S

I Secondly, the secondhand market is very active in Blazes and at the time I looked RS300s were sticking. I would always rather have a boat that can be sold when I want to sell it.

Quick update...

The RS300 is seeing a big resurgance this year with the major restructuring of the RS class association and the creation of the class specific owners clubs.

They're taking orders for new boats again and second hand boats are very much in demand.

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So...the verdict seems to be if I want a very technical and a steep learning curve (and a fair bit of swimming practice) go for the RS, If I want a powerful fun boat then go for the Blaze....

How do Blazes keep up with Phantoms, whats the crew weight in comparion, I cannot see anything about crew weight for the Blaze aside from 'it accomodates a large range of crew weights' on the Blaze site.

I am 6ft tall and 85kg.

Just tired of being hammered by the Phantoms at our club and want to have a bit more fun (means I won't get class racing but you pays your money you takes your choice!).

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