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    Posted: 01 Jun 18 at 7:12am
My single use comment was not tongue in cheek at all.
Rotomould boats are a single use of the material if it is not recycled.
This is also true of composite boats but there is no system in place for bulk composites recycling, yet.
My original point was/is Rotomould polymer is a recycleable material
but we are not.

Why not???

I have the job of disposing of an end of life Pico training boat.
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Originally posted by H2

Originally posted by Rupert

I think the single use comment might have been tongue in cheek, not sure it was a flaying offence.

Oh but that will not stop the usual suspects who seem to only have a sense of humour about their own, or their little on-line clique's comments

The problem is that there have been many derogatory comments about rotomoulds that have been made in dead earnest. It's not easy to spot whether someone is being tongue in cheek and trying to be funny, or just sneering.

Secondly, if tongue in cheek posts should be read in a positive light then why shouldn't the replies to them also be read in a positive light?
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Originally posted by Rupert

I think the single use comment might have been tongue in cheek, not sure it was a flaying offence.


I'm sure I've read of ex roto stuff being turned into plastic house bricks, and paving sheets for roads, I never did grasp why the 'Industry' suddenly switched to the rotomould, it happened just as I was getting started, Topper & Laser being the main offenders if I recall, that worked well for them. Handed the lead market share to RS at a stroke despite their dubious products of the period.

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Originally posted by Rupert

I think the single use comment might have been tongue in cheek, not sure it was a flaying offence.

Oh but that will not stop the usual suspects who seem to only have a sense of humour about their own, or their little on-line clique's comments
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I think the single use comment might have been tongue in cheek, not sure it was a flaying offence.
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Clearly then one should separate hulls and decks on old toppers and save them up until there are enough to make a delivery to a recycler cost effective.

And defining a boat that will hopefully be used hundreds of times over its lifetime as single use is ****wit stupid...

Possibly what would be ideal would be for the manufacturers to provide a service by which they'll pick up an old boat while delivering the new one, and the old ones get hull and deck cut apart, stacked in a corner of the yard then recycled in batches.

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Jo Richards did a talk on it at the dinghy show a few years ago. The prototype Bugs went for recycling. Apparently, the next level down is building site toilets, which then become traffic cones, which are the end of the line. Possibly because they are all in student bedrooms.
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Originally posted by zippyRN

Originally posted by Old bloke

Riv,in most of South Devon most of the non recycling rubbish ,and the non recyclable recycling is incinerated and generates a fair bit of electricity. So you can cut your boats up into bits and feed them into your black bin with a fairly clear conscience


Lincolnshire buries  very little waste now 

recyclables are recycled  if people  segregate their mixed recycling from their residual waste ,  garden waste is composted , residicual waste  goes into a big energey from waste  plant  near lincoln 

Off thread now but China has banned the import mixed plastics and mixed paper.  They were paying for this.  This has caused a huge upset in the UK's waste management market.   The 'recycling' targets started by many councils will be revised as the China market has closed.   I think we'll see a lot of new waste incinerators being applied for.   Depending on what opinion you read, they are either marvellous energy generation plants contributing to the UK's green energy supply or works of the devil  Wink

I looked on Wiki and a Topper is made from injection moulded polypropylene.   If they were a natural, 'clear' colour, their value on the recycling market would be higher.  Coloured products are worth less and laminated (think hull and deck) coloured products lower the value again.

I suspect landfill or incineration are the only options for disposal of Toppers and the new breed of rotamoulds.
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Originally posted by Old bloke

Riv,in most of South Devon most of the non recycling rubbish ,and the non recyclable recycling is incinerated and generates a fair bit of electricity. So you can cut your boats up into bits and feed them into your black bin with a fairly clear conscience


Lincolnshire buries  very little waste now 

recyclables are recycled  if people  segregate their mixed recycling from their residual waste ,  garden waste is composted , residicual waste  goes into a big energey from waste  plant  near lincoln 
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Nope, we should keep things in perspective and see that most sailing craft probably represent a very, very, very effective leisure use of petrochemicals.

The main point was that singling out rotomoulds for criticism on the grounds that they are "single use" appears to be unfair. A proper analysis of the full life of a range of different types of craft may well indicate that a smallish, slow-ish roto that is happy on a lake close to the owner's home may cause the use of far less petrochemicals than a high-tech high-speed boat that gets towed from home to open water.

My own craft include both types so I'm not pointing fingers at anyone else, merely defending a type that is often maligned.


Edited by Chris 249 - 30 May 18 at 11:43am
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