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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I thought light weather balance and trim was the reason the Crews' Union was formed in the first place? Well, that and beer, but to whinge about being sat stuffed forwards and to leeward, in the exact spot the kicker goes when the helm lets the main out without saying anything.
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Hmm, having to rethink my views on Streaker ownership after yesterday. Another of my Wednesday afternoon contemporaries has joined the fray in a Streaker which make four and of yesterdays fleet which was a bit light due to vacations and I'd left very quickly behind thanks to a good start and a longish beat with shifts and for the first time I felt a pang of loneliness as I set off on the hopeless task of putting the necessary minutes between me and the laser I'm normally in a death match with as they had a close battle. My race was only about sailing as short a course as possible and staying in the wind, I'm not normally out front that long, I usually screw up with the ropes or wiggle thing getting jammed in something or other, they catch me and it becomes interestingly irritating as I have to try and overtake them all again but for the last three weeks that's not happened. It may be because I'm getting more practised, and/or I've sorted affairs out with all those ropes thanks to some garden hose, so maybe it's time to reconsider. I have to say, yesterday however not very nice it might be to sail, I'd rather have been beaten by a couple of seconds over the water in a Streaker by another Streaker with him just in front of me knowing I'd gotten a shift wrong or he'd out manoeuvred me during a water call on a mark rounding than as it happened a clear four minute lead not enough by 10 secs because they're running Streakers off 1174 and my 1062 still isn't favourable enough, but yet it's destroyed my relationship with my previous protagonist who they run of 1102. Either way I can no longer win fairly in my own mind in the boat I love to race in so I may be forced into sailing some old hulk.. how wrong is that?
Cue class racing is best even if by doing so you have to compromise your enjoyment of the thrill of sailing argument.. I need to have another look at the class rules, see what they say about foils and steering although I imagine by now every loophole must have been explored by the lipstick applicators and still there are self balers - ugh. |
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mongrel ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 27 Aug 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 304 |
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Try one for a bit, if its not right, sell it on.
The class racing aspect, for most people, makes up for inadequacies with the boat.
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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I agree with that totally, but if you're pushing the limitation of the boat (as I was in Solo at 100kg inland, light winds only) then you have to accept that amplifies the compromises to a level too. Not an issue from Graeme, he'd fit well in a streaker... probably be quite competitive in the light stuff, and non of the distraction and b**locks that comes with spinnakers, racks, wings, crews etc I'd love to hear more about Graeme rediscovering tactics he's probably long since forgotten. You don't get to the positions he got to in a 300 strong fleet world level without it, even on a windy plank. Yet that history, and knowledge base, rarely translates well here in his forum prose. At best you get old school thinking on tidal matters, which is pretty much a m'eh topic clouded by varying interpretations on nomenclature, rather than anything of tactical relevance and differing opinion.... love to hear about the wind bends, tactical thoughts etc Hearing about the trials and tribulations of real racing, - man on man - that would be great stuff. I think it's a bit hard for anyone to really concentrate on tactics and the game in hand, when they seem rather too obsessed by the numbers on an RYA spreadsheet and how this or that class is allegedly manipulating the system to their advantage. That's my sensible post quota over for May. Be back again in June for 1 more.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Get a Streaker - it will go well with your assless wetsuit.
There is a lot to be said for getting a boat where the difference between the sailors is obvious on the water, but only if you actually enjoy sailing the fecking thing. Why bother otherwise? For the glory? |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Blue One ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 09 Nov 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 317 |
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1174 is very generous for the streaker, even on a puddle.
Nice boats, a little uncomfortable in light winds. Edited by Blue One - 15 May 14 at 12:44pm |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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If you put it like that then no, you're right and I hate to say it; Pain May be only temporary, Chicks may Dig Scars, but although Glory may last forever, there's not a lot of it to be had on Redoubt lake. ![]() However I have been perusing the Streaker sight and clearly I don't know enough about the many 'options' that now appear to be had with the boat. It just goes to show that the 'friends demo' is never the best way to research a boat, I read somewhere they can have a double bottom and some pictures appear to show them without that bulkhead you can't get in front of and the rear is now narrower. I'm trying to find out wether it would be permitted not to 'stay' the mast, or at least move the shrouds below the boom like the EPS. I wonder just how 'open' the deck and mast support arrangement is.. |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Agreed, I suspect it's got something to do with moving everything close to the ludicrous Miracle figure, they have the double whammy of an already favourable handicap coupled to some very very good championship class sailors stooging around in them, I know I know they need their asses kicked, don't think I don't tell them at every opportunity.. ![]() So they're using that Sailwave thing that I still have yet to have a look at, which spits out recommendations, that with a flavour of the Sailjuice lot that some of them once went to and only enhanced the idea that the Miracle was 'under' handicapped if ever more nonsense could be suggested.. Edited by iGRF - 15 May 14 at 1:08pm |
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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The numbers that come out of sailwave are the raw py that each boat would have to sail in that particular race, so not great to use to adjust numbers. If Redoubt is using the script for cruiser racing to generate a personal number then fair enough, but I would assume they are using the RYA PYS website to get your recommended numbers.
As for the Miracle numbers I agree it's mad, but the guys at your club who are doing well in the Miracle know that that's the case so why don't you just adjust their number and not everyone else's. I spoke to them at the Dinghy Show and they were good blokes who know what's going on and I'm sure they'd be willing to make your racing fairer. |
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robin34024 ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Jan 12 Location: Lincoln Online Status: Offline Posts: 116 |
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''I'm trying to find out wether it would be permitted not to 'stay' the mast, or at least move the shrouds below the boom like the EPS.'' |
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