Rossiter Pintail Mortagne sur Gironde, near Bordeaux |
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Laser 28 - Excellent example of this great design Hamble le rice |
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Laser 140101 Tynemouth |
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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Have to disagree with you on the point about the 5000 being high maintainence, we had ours for about 3-4 years and nothing really major went wrong with the boat. The only problem was she was too heavy and I reckon the rig could have been designed better. We've had to do more maintainence with the 49er over a shorter time but the sailing makes up for it! 5000s still are really good to sail and from our experience, pretty much bomb-proof. Can't comment on the Boss though |
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Shingle ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jul 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 111 |
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Margins must have been good for Topper in those days as you got excellent ISO deals by trading in for a newer one, and so stayed with the class. Even back then it was heavy, so when it did get trucking you knew it was extremely windy.
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Drink Feck girls!
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boatshed ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 457 |
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Chris, the Boss and L 5000. These were not good boats, even in their time. On the list of other new "Not Good Boats" would also be the ISO. |
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Chris Noble ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Nov 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 710 |
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lol so very true, and yet they were very good boats at their time, just not designed with future developments in mind
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Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine
FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
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Hector ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Location: Otley, Yorkshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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I sailed that prototype Asymmetric Fireball. It was anything but rubbish - the boat was well balanced and fast (in enough wind). IMHO the only problem with it was that it wasn't radical enough! The class wanted to know if a conversion could be done with minimum changes to the boat and at minimum cost. So for instance the kite was hoisted from the same mast sheave,the pole was kept quite short etc. The result was that in light winds, the standard FB kit was quicker - especially on a run. In a F3 it was significantlyquicker, but still L4000s etc were going deeper and faster. Obviously a Mast head (or 3/4 height) kite with a long pole would have been much faster than the version I trialled. Put simply, more sail was needed and to acheive that major modifications would have been needed. The class thought that a step too far and whilst I think that was a mistake, what do I know? They have after all just had 176 boats at a UK based Worlds so they're doing something right. |
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Guest ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 21 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
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Nah ... it's just that sitting out hurts your legs ... |
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Shingle ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jul 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 111 |
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Technology has moved on so if you could have near RS800 perfomance in a single wire boat that was light with well sorted ergonomics would it sell? B14's are wonderful, but demand fitness, and are easy to sail slowly if you do the wrong thing Having started sailing late in life and doing the circuits in the mid-late nineties, the sailing harcore seem to be 30-45, and these are probably the ones with the spending power perhaps this accounts for the growth in family barges. If you're struggling to pay off a student loan, you're probably not going to spend 7-9k on a dinghy, and hence go in to an older established class.
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Drink Feck girls!
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Iain C ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1113 |
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Er, no, you're alright thanks...
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RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed"
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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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There's a couple of 2 string boats that are falling by the wayside, the Boss and the 5000 and then there's the one for lightweights Spice I think its called. If anybody wants a Boss or a 5000 there's a couple of good ones at my club that never get sailed, shame really - lots of bang for your buck.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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But not nearly as unpopular as two string boats... Just did some sums on the YY attendance list Two handers without kite 431 entries, average 29 per class Two Handers with kite, no trapeze 787, av 40 Two handers, one string 395, av 28 Two handers, two string 191, av 27 Singlehanders no string 804, av 21 Singlehanders, string, no kite 109, av 36 Singlehanders string and kite 63, av 31 Or to look it another way, PT number versus total and average entries PY <800 total 31 entries, average 31 PY 900-899 231, average 29 PY 900-999 583, average 34 PY 1000-1099 966, average 42 py 100-1100 729, average 49 So actually the most popular boats are still what they always have been, moderate performance ones. Presumanbly the amrketing boys at Topper, Laser et al have finally spotted this, which is why there's a sudden stop in commisioning whizzy high performance boats and a sudden surge in rather slower ones. Edited by JimC |
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