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fizzicist ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Aug 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 305 |
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It planes from about 3 knots(boatspeed). If you sit near the back it looks like a more traditional boat on the plane, but that digs the transom in and slows it down. In some ways it's almost frustrating because dramatic pictures of the 300 with spray flying everywhere are very rare because the hull shape is so effecient. Spray = wasted energy and the 300 produces little spray. It just goes like the clappers. So far we've clocked 16 knots downwind and perhaps more impressively for a hiking singlehander, 8 knots upwind. Raced against a Blaze for the first time the other week and I was astounded how wide it was when I passed it (pursuit race before anyone starts!). Not sailed one yet but it looked like a mini ISO hull shape. Looked pretty forgiving and could be fun in a blow. Having sailed on the same water at the same time, I think the two are a completely different kettle o'fish, to coin a phrase. By the time the 300 is fully powered up and becoming a bit of a handful to all but the best in the fleet, the Blaze seems to be just waking up. To be honest, there's no comparison - very very different boats. No doubt many Blaze sailors would consider the 300 twitchy, unstable and overly prone to nosediving. With the shoe on the other foot, I have no doubt I'd find the Blaze heavy and unresponsive. Both have their merits and neither should spend any time denegrating the other. They're just too different to compare. |
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dics ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 317 |
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One very noticable thing with the 300, because of what the same reasons Fizzicist said above re the effient hull, is that the boat is very quite when planing. There is hard any hum coming from the hull. In fact I know people who said it and didn't like the boat because there wasn't any noise coming from the hull when they were planning.
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BBSCFaithfull ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1251 |
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Having sailed both, 300 is sooo fast its untrue. It is a very nice boat and is a pleasure to sail. i love the carbon mast on it as it gives such a good sail shape and is easily depowered when you want it to be.
The blaze however is a very good boat aswell. No way near as quick as the 3 and it only planes in the higher wind stages i.e a force 2 -3 at a push. It doesnt feel any where as smooth as the 3. I do prefer the 300 but they are both quality boats and given either for a day id jump at the chance. my 2p Alex |
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Why don't you try and borrow one for they day when we come and visit then Alex? (or have I missed that). Work is such a nightmare that getting any sailing in at the minute is a distant memory.
RE what Blaze 720 said about the inlands - I am planning to get there, will sort it a bit closer to the time. Are there any decent B&Bs that way as I sure don;t fancy a tent. |
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If you mean the Blaze open at BBSC it's 23 September along with class starts for Phantoms and 300's. |
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Thats the one dics....
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whats the min and max weight to sail the rs 300 and the blaze?
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Rob.e ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 545 |
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You are OK in the 300 with the A rig from maybe 65kg, though the jury is still out as to how competative it is, and with the B rig, I think Steve Cockerill won the nationals at about 75 kg, and Will Gulliver won at around 95 kg, and competed well at around 100 kg. Steve C was also Blaze champ at the same time. Certainly the 300 rig is very able to be depowered, but is also very powerful, and for fun and club sailing a lot would depend on your ability, but I would say 65-100+kilos. Never sailed a blaze, but I'd imagine it's similar. Hope this helps! |
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300 fleet varies from 55 to 115kg. Interestingly at the nationals last year the two guys at the extremities of that weight range were inseperable on the water. Unless your name is Cockerill then the ideal weight is probably 78-80kg. Personally I've dropped from 97 to 86 for this season and I have to work WAY harder upwind but don't suffer downwind so much. |
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As ever the only thing for anyone interested in either class or any other for that matter is to TRY them ! As has been said they are very different boats and both have their fans. The Blaze may be easier to sail and possibly easier to sail reasonably well in a wider range of conditions - however like any other performance boat it rewards good technique and is just as challenging to race perhaps even more so. However if you have not tried one you may find yourself slightly red-faced when it also punishes you fairly readily at first !
With larger fleets these days the Blaze is particularly attractive to those into tacticaI boat on boat racing. Like many others who have owned and raced both 300 and Blazes, I appreciate the appeal of the 300 but overall prefer the Blaze characteristics and racing. The boat is a particular delight when it blows of course but is still highly capable in the light stuff with good technique. It's not a heavy boat either despite the implications of a few ! It's a couple of kg heavier than the minumum weight of a Solo but has the advantage (and carries the weight) of the wings as well as being bigger than either a Solo or 300. Do note that it is also weighted with the centreboard in place. The suitable weight range is wide and < 70kg helms can and do compete effectively alongside 100+kg helms and vice versa - the stayed rig making it very easy to adjust the power available or needed. We all have views naturally and the best way to make up your own mind is to contact the CA's and arrange a trial. It must also be worth a look at the Solo, OK, Phantom, Supernova etc. Each to their own .... Classes should not see each other as mutually exclusive all the time - there's a lot of room out there for good boats of all shapes and sizes and you need to TRY them ! Blaze '720' |
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