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    Posted: 01 Jul 05 at 1:43pm
There is (or was) a guy at Weston who had 2! He loved them and we (the Contender fleet) hated them in marginal trapeze conditions.
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One of the disadvantages with the new classes is the restricted audience. My own club, Aldridge, sail on a pond. There are a lot of other clubs in the area which sail on ponds and small lakes. This new breed of fast, sleek classes just don't fit on these pieces of water, whereas the traditional classes, GPs, Enterprises, Solos etc suit these waters well. Also, there are few sailors in the club capable, never mind want to, sail these new classes. An RS 700 and an MPS look great in magazines but you ain't going to sail one at Aldridge. 
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Originally posted by john.d.knight

One of the disadvantages with the new classes is the restricted audience. My own club, Aldridge, sail on a pond. There are a lot of other clubs in the area which sail on ponds and small lakes. This new breed of fast, sleek classes just don't fit on these pieces of water, whereas the traditional classes, GPs, Enterprises, Solos etc suit these waters well. Also, there are few sailors in the club capable, never mind want to, sail these new classes. An RS 700 and an MPS look great in magazines but you ain't going to sail one at Aldridge. 


Aldridge, haven't sailed there since the 70's. My pond isn't much bigger, which is probably why I didn't get on to well with sailing an EPS on it. Mind you being an overweight middled aged git probably didn't help.

 Yes we find that its the older boats that do well on our pond too, Lasers, Miracles, Phantoms etc.
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"Mind you being an overweight middled aged git probably didn't help"

Sounds like we need to start an "Overweight middled aged git sailors" support group and I think we're the first two members!

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Originally posted by john.d.knight

"Mind you being an overweight middled aged git probably didn't help"

Sounds like we need to start an "Overweight middled aged git sailors" support group and I think we're the first two members!

I think you'll find many more of us in the FastSail classes.....

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We have 2 EPS's at Whitefriars, and they go very well indeed. For a small lake they are probebly the best of the new classes, though they have trouble against Blazes on handicap. Shame they failed...
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Originally posted by Rupert

We have 2 EPS's at Whitefriars, and they go very well indeed. For a small lake they are probebly the best of the new classes, though they have trouble against Blazes on handicap. Shame they failed...


I thought the EPS was a great boat, and it would have been interesting to see a lightweight in one because at 100kg I always felt underpowered in mine. I also owned one of the old pre X rig Blazes, and to be honest I preferred the EPS to it - sorry Blaze guys!    But of course the Blaze is going great guns and the EPS is dead so who am I to talk..
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Originally posted by JimC


According to the last racing classes review in Y&Y, based on sail number increases over previous years, SMODs with less than 10 boats built include Boss (0), Iso (-31!!). L3000 (-1!), L5000(-5!), Spice(0), Tasar(0), MRX(1), RS600(3), RS400(6), B14(7). 

Selling a massive number of boats isn't necessarily a sign of a successful class. Once a decent size national fleet has been established, you don't need that many boats to keep the class going.

There are no more than about 50 or 60 new Fireballs built worldwide every year, of which probably 30, maybe 40 end up in Britain. The Fireball is considered by most as a successful class at the moment, but it's just that with boats that have a competitive life of 10-15 years (I sold an 11 year old Fireball last year for £3500) you don't need to buy a brand new one unless you're pretty near the front of the fleet.

With fairly specialist classes, such as the B14, there has never been the massive rush to buy new boats as happened with the ISO/4000, so there will be a continual fairly slow stream of new boats built and the class will continue with a similar number of boats on the national circuit.

Classes such as the ISO and 4000 can survive if the boat is good enough and the class assocation enthusiastic. They may not build any boats at all for several years whilst the supply of boats which have never really been sailed are "used up". A slow return to building of new boats will follow, if the class continues to attract a decent number of people.

 

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Talking of investment in boats - most 2nd hand boats don't depreciate much at all.  I sold my first Laser for what I bought it. My 1st Scorpion for twice what I bought it and my Mirror for almost 3 times what I bought it for.  My 4000 has probaly lost a £1000 over 4 years - not at all bad compared with a car.  I did make a loss on my second Scorpion and my second Laser.

Boat like the 4000 were made possible by technology and that's why many buy them.  That same technology will leave them out in the cold.  A lighter hull and particularly a lighter rig would transform the performance of the 4000, making it both easier and faster.  One day a manufacturer will bring out a similar boat with these features - especially when a carbon mast become cheaper than an alloy one.  Then it will begin to wane.  I give it 5 years, meanwhile I can commend it as one hell of a boat at a very reasonable price.  Sailing one upwind in a blow just has to be one of the sailing experiences.

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 I also owned one of the old pre X rig Blazes, and to be honest I preferred the EPS to it - sorry Blaze guys!  

No problem and we could debate sail design and why some classes fail while others prosper of course  - but the answer is already lurking in your own words - simply try any racing Blaze around today.   Almost without exception all boats have replaced the 'orrible original sail with the highly developed (and slightly smaller !) 'X' sail - the switch was years ago now .  We'd be interested in what you might make of it with the revised sailplan and can arrange a 'go' if you or anyone else is interested !

Cheers - Mike Lyons   BLAZE CLASS ASSOCIATION

 

 

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