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Open Dinghy Events · Are you certain that the RS700/Musto Skiff fit these requirements

   The Musto Perfromance Skiff is on its way to becoming an International boat, though i don't see why a single handed asymetric boat has to replace the finn.  Many people are put off by the thought of single hand boats with kites as they deem it hard to sail (myself not included as i think it would be great), also it would restrict the type of course that could be laid, and also the wind in which the races could take part.  I do feel however that the finn is maybe not the ideal single handed male boat, as you have to be pretty heavy to sail one effectively, something like a topper blaze where you can adjust the wings might be a good idea, or the rs600, but once again they fall into the trap of not be sailed internationally.

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Croff Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 30 Jun 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 30	Post Options Post Reply Quote Croff Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Olympic Classes Posted: 07 Jul 04 at 10:43pm
	The Musto Perfromance Skiff is on its way to becoming an International boat, though i don't see why a single handed asymetric boat has to replace the finn. Many people are put off by the thought of single hand boats with kites as they deem it hard to sail (myself not included as i think it would be great), also it would restrict the type of course that could be laid, and also the wind in which the races could take part. I do feel however that the finn is maybe not the ideal single handed male boat, as you have to be pretty heavy to sail one effectively, something like a topper blaze where you can adjust the wings might be a good idea, or the rs600, but once again they fall into the trap of not be sailed internationally.
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Neil Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Newbie Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 37	Post Options Post Reply Quote Neil Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 04 at 2:38pm
	Both the RS700 and MPS are pretty much limited to Europe... But... there are similar boats in other parts of the world.. (there is even a 3 sail single hander on sale in the US!!!!!!!!!) So, whatever is chosen would need time to get world wide availability.. or we would be forced back to a class that is old enough to be well established... and I don't think that is what televised Olympics sailing needs right now.. I would argue that its chicken and egg... its difficult for ANY boat to become globally successful without something like the Olympics driving it.... What I personally would like to see is the best boat to meet their needs chosen, ignoring the global availability bit... it would soon become available globally if it was selected as an Olympic class... and both the MPS and RS700 are manufactured by someone other than the designer/promoter, so could be easily extended in much the same way as the 49'er has been... that has worked well...
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redback Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502	Post Options Post Reply Quote redback Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 04 at 12:48pm
	Whew, for a moment I thought you were going to suggest an Ent. I suppose the 470 actually come close as a boat for men and women to compete equally, but it needs to be a bit more spectacular. That link by Sarah B is well worth following. Edited by redback

Ent Man Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 29 Mar 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 32	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ent Man Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 04 at 12:24pm
	Are you certain that the RS700/Musto Skiff fit these requirements Men’s and Women’s Dinghy Events Universally available equipment Sailed worldwide Suitable for average physique Economical Athletic Technically simple, or out-of-the-box I thought that both classes were a bit limited on numbers and are currently only popular in Britain and parts of Europe. If the Musto Skiff was chosen for the Olympic Womens class and the laser retained for the mens boat that would look a bit odd. I think that if the laser is good enough for the men's single hander then the laser radial must be ideal as the women's single hander.
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Coolhand Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 30 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 34	Post Options Post Reply Quote Coolhand Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 04 at 10:44am
	IMHO it’s possible to get the best of both worlds. Make the Mens/Womens events low cost, out of the box boats (e.g Laser/470), possibly even going for pooled boats and the same for both sexes. Good entry point for emerging nations as only about sailor’s ability. The Open classes then become the home of the high tech/big thrills boats (e.g. 49er, Musto skiff/RS700). These will get the TV time/spectators. Edited by Coolhand

redback Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502	Post Options Post Reply Quote redback Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 04 at 10:39am
	I'm a bit of an idealist and I was hoping that trapeze boats might enable women to compete on equal terms with men. It seems unlikely that women are going to be competitive in Finns, but because agility is of greater significance with trapeze boats I thought women might have more of a chance.

Neil Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Newbie Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 37	Post Options Post Reply Quote Neil Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 04 at 9:53am
	To clarify a point made.....the RS700/Musto Skiff are somewhat sensitive to weight... In both cases, you need some weight to be able to get high when going downwind, otherwise every little puff of breeze forces you off downwind... This is why the RS700 Class association has just voted in even wider wings (an extra 20cm each side) giving it over a metre of wing sticking out each side!.. its now unique in this category in being weight equalised at 66%, over a pretty wide weight range... So... when we talk about weight sensitivity, we usually mean 'needs less', but in the asymm skiff case, often more is good! (but not always) But I have to agree.... either of these boats would make great spectator sport... single handers airborne off waves downwind would look good on TV!
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Pierre Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1532	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pierre Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 04 at 8:10am
	"Open Dinghy Events Innovative: design; technology; format of racing; courses Added media appeal “Buzz” for young and established sailor Fast and athletic" So that will be the Foiler International Moth then.........

Blobby Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 May 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 779	Post Options Post Reply Quote Blobby Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 04 at 6:41am
	Are trapeze boats less sensitive to weight? No. If you do a Frank Bethwaite and crunch a lot of numbers the only way to make a boat totally insensitive to weight is to make the baot and rig weigh nothing, then it all evens out. BUT it appears that having flip-top rigs like the musto skiff and RS700, 49er etc does reduce sensitivity to weight...

Sarah B Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Groupie Joined: 15 Mar 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 92	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sarah B Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 04 at 11:37pm
	Link to an article on ISAF website re-the choice of dinghy including criteria. http://www.sailing.org/Article_content.asp?ArticleID=7205 Here are some characteristics ISAF are looking at; Men’s and Women’s Dinghy Events Universally available equipment Sailed worldwide Suitable for average physique Economical Athletic Technically simple, or out-of-the-box Open Dinghy Events Innovative: design; technology; format of racing; courses Added media appeal “Buzz” for young and established sailor Fast and athletic I think your Musto Skiffs/RS700s of this world fit perfectly in the Open Event, but then could women compete then too? Little confused as then the 49er is also an open event?
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