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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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Would a boat with fully battened main and jib still sail
sensibly if you removed the battens? I was wondering if it might make the boat a bit more manageable while we get used to it. |
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giraffe ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 May 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 148 |
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i would expect that the battens would be needed by the sail design and would probably prolong the life of the sail too. I doubt that it is a good idea but why not try it and answer your own question.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Rather the reverse I would have thought. And I would bet it would damage the sails. Sail with plenty of twist in the rig and you'll have less power and a less on off rig without doing anything dubious. OK I've been sailing with them for something like thirty five years, but I really don't get this stuff about full battened sails being difficult to manage. When was the last time you heard a Solo sailor coming ashore cursing about how difficult his rig is to manage. Doesn't happen to my knowledge! Edited by JimC |
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les5269 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1530 |
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Like JimC I would say that it would make it more difficult to sail. If your talking about the 4K the easiest way to make it more manageable is actually to sail it full on. This might sound funny but if you do it does make it easier to sail.
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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Ironically it's not so much the sailing that's the problem. It's the launching, landing and generally shunting the boat about with the sails up. There doesn't seem to be an off switch on it without dropping the main and switching to a daggerboard hasn't helped us. If we weren't so stressed about getting out and in again it would be easier to get used to. I'll have to get me some brave pills. Edited by ellistine |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Landing...
My favorite technique for coming onto any kind of lee shore is hove to with the jib firmly backed. Foils most of the way up and she'll slip in sideways with no bother. Daggerboard rudder does help enormously though. Try it out on the water to get an idea of the angle of drift. |
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Merlinboy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3169 |
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So how and where are you launching the boat? Maybe we can help out there with some more techniques, not so specific to the 4k? I must say that launching and recovery is something taken for granted by sailors on less restricted access areas!
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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How embarrassing is this - We sailed out of WPNSA. Do
slips get any bigger? Our usual launch routine is for me to hold the boat flat while the crew climbs aboard. I then grab the tiller and main sheet, throw a leg over the side and push off which has never been a problem in the Vago. In the 4K we launched of the North slip into the wind. Before I had chance to climb in the jib pulled the bow around and raced off along the slip with me running after it. I just managed to stop it running aground. Second attempt was a bit more successful and we got going. Because I didn't fancy landing straight downwind I came in on the east facing slip on a beam reach. All was good until my crew lifted out the daggerboard. At the point we shot off sideways towards the rocks and I had to crash capsize to avoid an impact. My crew had already jumped out into 7' of water to try and catch the boat. That hadn't worked either! In hindsight I think I should have launched and landed of the east slip and perhaps sailed past it for the landing returning to it on a close haul. At least that way we would have drifted onto the slip once the plate was lifted. I also think we need to look at how much plate we can leave down without it hitting the bottom. I might also experiment with dropping the main and coming in on the jib but we never managed it in the Vago through lack of space and I can't see the 4K being much better. Come the next season we'll be sailing out of Castle Cove again. It tends to be more sheltered there but also a lot shallow for a lot longer. It's far less stressful in a plastic boat you know! |
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Quagers ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 279 |
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We tend to put the helm in 1st, he gets everything ready, stands on the leward side then the crew gives the nose a push and comes in infront of the racks. The advantage is the crew can keep it head to wind much easier from further forward and the moment they let go the helm has control. Cant help with landing as this always seems to be abit hairy for us.
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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for lee shores, as long as you've got enough space, being able to drop the main into the boat and sail in under jib alone is a perfectly valid technique- we use it a lot in the b14.
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