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Norbert 
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 Topic: 505s at the Sanpan Disco...Posted: 24 Aug 09 at 7:05pm |
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The 505s are currently holding their World championships in San Francisco. Carnage all round.
Here's some pickies from the Pre Worlds /North Americans in somewhat tamer conditions... http://bit.ly/1KenS http://bit.ly/YEtmI |
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AlexM
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Posted: 24 Aug 09 at 9:30pm |
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Great looking boats I want one! |
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MikeBz
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Posted: 25 Aug 09 at 9:32am |
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In race 2 only 45 out of 88 boats actually started. Clearly modern high-performance dinghy design has gone way too far. So far up it's own blind alley that it can see the light coming down the neck hole I see that this event is rumoured to have $160,000 of sponsorship, and as we all know all rumours are true. Entry fee was $500. Go figure! Must be one hell of a lot of free beer. Merlin Nationals last week - 2nd race on Thursday, 27 out of 50+ finished. Clearly it's all gone too far. Mary Whitehouse. |
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Posted: 25 Aug 09 at 9:49am |
Dunno about the 505's but I always thought them quite seaworthy, I am told it can get pretty nasty there ... As for the Merlins I was on the water in a RIB that day; it was pretty rough but very sailable, but it's a fleet with quite a few more mature sailors and some inland sailors, many of these people are not championship contenders and are on holiday ... After the first race that day the fleet was sent ashore as it was breezey, some lost rigs (7-8) when the 2nd race was signalled a number chose not to launch, a very sensible decision if the conditions were beyond them.
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Contender 541
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Posted: 25 Aug 09 at 1:34pm |
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There were a number of dismastings and snapped masts. They were sailing in an area where it was a bit shallow and masts were being stuck in the mud - combine that with a good swell and voila - dead mast A number of the boats also ran for shelter - I think that tells more of the story |
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When you find a big kettle of crazy it's probably best not to stir it - Pointy Haired Boss
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Norbert
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Posted: 25 Aug 09 at 1:51pm |
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It does seem to be turning out to be a poorly made plan, the event was always going to be a windy one but they have to sail in the shallows as ships use the deep water channels plus an hours slog back from the race area to the boat park. Over at SA some of the competitors are actually starting to contemplate missing latter races.
Show you how old I am, I was working in San Francisco in 1981 when the 505 Worlds were last there and whilst i remember it being typically windy I don't recall the attrition rate that is going on this year. |
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timnoyce
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Posted: 25 Aug 09 at 2:21pm |
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It looks that a lot of masts havs snapped above the hounds. Could this be put down to their huge kites and the mast not having been upgraded to take these higher loads?
It looks like they are sailing windward leeward as they have the windward mark with spreader mark so perhaps they aren't putting the same loads through the boat as they would ragging the kites to make reaching marks but it must be making a difference. |
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getafix
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Posted: 25 Aug 09 at 2:36pm |
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while it's certainly the case more gear breaks when it's windy and planning a regatta in an area where boats have to sail in shallower water isn't great... it could just be a case of two things combining IMO
i) the fact many competitors don't fancy the conditions ii) many competitos can't handle them and thus don't race, start but don't finish and/or break their boat Design of boats or equipment may be to blame, if there is a batch or trend in the breakages, e.g. all XXXXXX manufacturer masts brake in the same way in similar circumstances. Otherwise, I think it would be difficult to look at boats like 505 or Merlin and say "design at fault" as so clearly the same boats sail year-round in similar conditions and don't suffer the same attrition/breakage rate. Also, much of the kit on them is identical to that used in other classes. |
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MikeBz
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Posted: 25 Aug 09 at 2:43pm |
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In case anyone hasn't noticed there was a trace of irony in my post, harking back to some earlier threads that we've had on here about xyz types of boat being "too extreme"... By those same definitions it's now proven that the 505 and the Merlin have 'gone too far' which clearly is utter rubbish. Mike |
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Norbert
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Posted: 25 Aug 09 at 3:48pm |
By jiggery i think you might have it there! Certainly they all sport second sets of spreaders high up, next you'll see them with masthead trapeze wires! |
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