Oh no =/

   I thought i had my mind made up- but after long contemplation (much too long in fact) i'm undecided again.

Im still pretty enamoured with the 29er- great boat, specifically for youths with all the RYA paraphernalia attached. There aren't any at the club but there is one up the river which sometimes comes to play. I do still have my eye on a few, but at 60kg i might be getting a bit big to helm. If i did get one, i would hope try and build a bit of a fleet...

Another option is the B14- fantastic fleet racing at my club, but the wings really put me off, and the helm has the main all the time...

I was also looking at the 600- it has weight equalization and stuff like that, and there is a bit of a fleet at my club- it also negates the need for one of those 'crew' things. Hoping it could teach me some trapezeing and stuff as well.

Also having a bit of a look at the 800, but i'm told it's just a twin trap b14 without the wings.
 I would not be particularly popular if i chose the 800 over a B14

I have about 3000 to spend, and as earlier stated, i weigh about 60kg.

Help me!  

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theycallmegod Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 27 Nov 07 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 262	Post Options Post Reply Quote theycallmegod Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Oh no =/ Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 8:38pm
	I thought i had my mind made up- but after long contemplation (much too long in fact) i'm undecided again. Im still pretty enamoured with the 29er- great boat, specifically for youths with all the RYA paraphernalia attached. There aren't any at the club but there is one up the river which sometimes comes to play. I do still have my eye on a few, but at 60kg i might be getting a bit big to helm. If i did get one, i would hope try and build a bit of a fleet... Another option is the B14- fantastic fleet racing at my club, but the wings really put me off, and the helm has the main all the time... I was also looking at the 600- it has weight equalization and stuff like that, and there is a bit of a fleet at my club- it also negates the need for one of those 'crew' things. Hoping it could teach me some trapezeing and stuff as well. Also having a bit of a look at the 800, but i'm told it's just a twin trap b14 without the wings. I would not be particularly popular if i chose the 800 over a B14 I have about 3000 to spend, and as earlier stated, i weigh about 60kg. Help me!

ratface Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 Apr 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 686	Post Options Post Reply Quote ratface Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:03pm
	laser 3000? you need one of them 'crew' things however
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radixon Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 27 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2407	Post Options Post Reply Quote radixon Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:11pm
	It all depends how reliable your "crew" thingy is. If you sail week in week out and you have someone that will crew then fine. Will you be able to get an 800 or B14 for that amount, pay for insurance and have a bit left over for parts that are needed? If you sail on the sea then the 29er may be fine. So really two options - 600 if you want to learn to trapeze and have the option of going out without a "helper" or the 29er if you have someone who you want to blame for your muck ups. If I didn't have a partner, but wanted to up my game, then I recon the 600 would have to be the way. Unless you want a kite too, then you have the Vareo, Blaze .......

alstorer Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899	Post Options Post Reply Quote alstorer Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:15pm
	If there's a decent fleet of B14s, go for it! The 800 is not "just a twin trap b14 without the wings"- it's a very different boat, good in its own ways. Differences: 800 is weight equalised, B14 isn't- but a wide range of weights are competitive 800 has a self tacking jib, B14 doesn't- crew has a bit more to do up wind in that respect. On a lot of B14s, the kicker and cunningham are led to the front of the wing, so the crew works those. 800 has a spinnaker launcher, B14 has a bag. There's pros and cons to both systems, and the bag isn't too difficult to use- but it certainly isn't as easy as a chute 800 gets big fleets in the UK, and one euro event (mainly brits). B14 gets reasonable fleets at circuit events- and witness the good turnouts this winter. There's a regular World Championships, though of late this has been almost entirely GBR and AUS boats- next one is in Hobart. RS are able to sell 800s, but didn't really know what to do with the B14... Seriously, if you've got a fleet already there, why would you not choose the B14? Unless you're entirely unable to rustle up a crew.

Chris Bridges Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 14 Nov 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 699	Post Options Post Reply Quote Chris Bridges Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:19pm
	Laser 3000 / v 3000 is good but not quick as I am guessing you want? PY is around 1030.. Fun to sail though. 29er on the heavier side but 65kg is normally the top end for helm, but you can go up to about 70 and still be quite competitive. 600.. might be a bit light? But don't take my word for it, not sure what the weight range is. B14 - not a bad choice as long as you don't mind hiking RS800 - Guessing you would be on the lighter end of the weight.. But you can get a heavier crew and be fine. If your over 6ft (which I'm guessing not) it will probably be easier than 29er (I found that anyway, but I did weigh 70kgish at the time and some people seem to disagree with me on this)
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bert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 23 Apr 05 Location: norwich usually Online Status: Offline Posts: 584	Post Options Post Reply Quote bert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:20pm
	If you wanted a single trapezing,assy boat at a small price with a lot of performance think about a vortex,BTW the Blaze does not have a kite but is a very good boat lots fun
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theycallmegod Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 27 Nov 07 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 262	Post Options Post Reply Quote theycallmegod Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:22pm
	I feel that the B14 is a a bit of a handful at the moment- i do intend to get one someday, but my skills aren't really up to it at the moment. I see the 29er as a transition really....

Kudlinski Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 18 Sep 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 132	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kudlinski Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:41pm
	For 3 grand you will not get an 800, but I guess the main thing is like many people do you have a consistant crew that shares the same dedecation and enthusiam for your venture if the answer is know then maybe the 600 is the boat for you, especially as they represent really good value for money.
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BBSCFaithfull Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 06 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1251	Post Options Post Reply Quote BBSCFaithfull Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:41pm
	Youre lucky if you worry about being 60 kgs
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radixon Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 27 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2407	Post Options Post Reply Quote radixon Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 10:21pm
	I know the blaze doesnt have a kite, mind was thinking, but the fingers just kept typing! Yes, 60 Kg, dont worry the pies will mount and wont go away, get what you want!