Oh no =/
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Topic: Oh no =/
Posted By: theycallmegod
Subject: Oh no =/
Date Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 8:38pm
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I thought i had my mind made up- but after long contemplation (much too long in fact) i'm undecided again. Im still pretty enamoured with the 29er- great boat, specifically for youths with all the RYA paraphernalia attached. There aren't any at the club but there is one up the river which sometimes comes to play. I do still have my eye on a few, but at 60kg i might be getting a bit big to helm. If i did get one, i would hope try and build a bit of a fleet... Another option is the B14- fantastic fleet racing at my club, but the wings really put me off, and the helm has the main all the time... I was also looking at the 600- it has weight equalization and stuff like that, and there is a bit of a fleet at my club- it also negates the need for one of those 'crew' things. Hoping it could teach me some trapezeing and stuff as well. Also having a bit of a look at the 800, but i'm told it's just a twin trap b14 without the wings. I would not be particularly popular if i chose the 800 over a B14 I have about 3000 to spend, and as earlier stated, i weigh about 60kg. Help me!  |
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Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:03pm
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laser 3000? you need one of them 'crew' things however ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:11pm
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It all depends how reliable your "crew" thingy is. If you sail week in week out and you have someone that will crew then fine. Will you be able to get an 800 or B14 for that amount, pay for insurance and have a bit left over for parts that are needed? If you sail on the sea then the 29er may be fine. So really two options - 600 if you want to learn to trapeze and have the option of going out without a "helper" or the 29er if you have someone who you want to blame for your muck ups. If I didn't have a partner, but wanted to up my game, then I recon the 600 would have to be the way. Unless you want a kite too, then you have the Vareo, Blaze ....... ------------- |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:15pm
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If there's a decent fleet of B14s, go for it! The 800 is not "just a twin trap b14 without the wings"- it's a very different boat, good in its own ways. Differences:
800 is weight equalised, B14 isn't- but a wide range of weights are competitive 800 has a self tacking jib, B14 doesn't- crew has a bit more to do up wind in that respect. On a lot of B14s, the kicker and cunningham are led to the front of the wing, so the crew works those. 800 has a spinnaker launcher, B14 has a bag. There's pros and cons to both systems, and the bag isn't too difficult to use- but it certainly isn't as easy as a chute 800 gets big fleets in the UK, and one euro event (mainly brits). B14 gets reasonable fleets at circuit events- and witness the good turnouts this winter. There's a regular World Championships, though of late this has been almost entirely GBR and AUS boats- next one is in Hobart. RS are able to sell 800s, but didn't really know what to do with the B14... Seriously, if you've got a fleet already there, why would you not choose the B14? Unless you're entirely unable to rustle up a crew. |
Posted By: Chris Bridges
Date Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:19pm
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Laser 3000 / v 3000 is good but not quick as I am guessing you want? PY is around 1030.. Fun to sail though. 29er on the heavier side but 65kg is normally the top end for helm, but you can go up to about 70 and still be quite competitive. 600.. might be a bit light? But don't take my word for it, not sure what the weight range is. B14 - not a bad choice as long as you don't mind hiking RS800 - Guessing you would be on the lighter end of the weight.. But you can get a heavier crew and be fine. If your over 6ft (which I'm guessing not) it will probably be easier than 29er (I found that anyway, but I did weigh 70kgish at the time and some people seem to disagree with me on this) ------------- 49er GBR735 (for sale) - Rutland SC |
Posted By: bert
Date Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:20pm
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If you wanted a single trapezing,assy boat at a small price with a lot of performance think about a vortex,BTW the Blaze does not have a kite but is a very good boat lots fun ------------- Phantom 1181 AC-227 IC 304 blaze / halo 586 |
Posted By: theycallmegod
Date Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:22pm
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I feel that the B14 is a a bit of a handful at the moment- i do intend to get one someday, but my skills aren't really up to it at the moment. I see the 29er as a transition really.... |
Posted By: Kudlinski
Date Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:41pm
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For 3 grand you will not get an 800, but I guess the main thing is like many people do you have a consistant crew that shares the same dedecation and enthusiam for your venture if the answer is know then maybe the 600 is the boat for you, especially as they represent really good value for money. ------------- RS400 866 RS300 381 |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:41pm
Youre lucky if you worry about being 60 kgs  ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 10:21pm
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I know the blaze doesnt have a kite, mind was thinking, but the fingers just kept typing! Yes, 60 Kg, dont worry the pies will mount and wont go away, get what you want! ------------- |
Posted By: FireballNeil
Date Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 10:41pm
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60kilos is bottom weight for a 29er helm heavy crews dont suffer too much in the light but can really send it in the breeze! ------------- Neil 
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Posted By: hollandsd
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 7:04am
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The b14 really is not that dificult. When i was changing classes last year, the B14 was easier than the I14 but on par with the RS800. I found in a range of conditions the B14 was the easier class to sail quickly upwind and down.
------------- Laser 184084 Tasar 3501 RS600 698 RS600 782 |
Posted By: Tom9
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 11:30am
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the lighter the better for the 29er as long as you have the skill to sail it well. the top helms are about 50-55kg. |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 11:36am
if that is the case then i'm glad i've decided against a 29er ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: FireballNeil
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 3:17pm
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Which top helms are you looking at Tom? Theres no way dylan could have been 55kg when he came 2nd at the worlds! ------------- Neil
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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 5:06pm
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600s are fantastic, I was 65KG when i first started and never really struggled with it. just heave on the cunningham and it depowers incredibly well. You could easily get change on your 3k for a competitive boat and have money left over for maintenance, insurance and a bit of petrol! It also has the advantage of not having to find a crew who you get along with and the flexibility of sailing without one! And not to be taken lightly is the social side of the class, and the 600 has plenty of that. I happen to know of one for sale, PM for details  ------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 5:43pm
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So if 50kgs for a 29er helm is good, what would the equivalent weight for their crew be? ------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: Chris Bridges
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 6:14pm
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Someone a bit heavier, guess it doesn't really matter but so you can be competitive in the strong I would say 60+. Although its not all about weight.. A lot of people will have the weight but are too big or clumsy to sail in heavy windy anyway ------------- 49er GBR735 (for sale) - Rutland SC |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 6:53pm
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Right, better start feeding up the crew...
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: Tom9
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 7:06pm
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james, max and bleddyn all about 50-55kg all quick even when its windy. i think there is only a small wind range when extra weight makes a big difference and thats when it is 18-22 ish anymore and its all about technique. when its light extra weight kills you as you can't get planning downwind as soon. as for the crews the taller the better. |
Posted By: theycallmegod
Date Posted: 13 Feb 08 at 7:50pm
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Hmmmmm- first choice currently the B14 due to the massive fleet at my club and the price. I could almost get a B14 and an RS600 for the money i got from my laser- a lot more boat for the money.... |
Posted By: FireballNeil
Date Posted: 14 Feb 08 at 11:53am
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As much as I love the 29er- Go for the B14 fleet if there are so many! Theyre awesome boats anyway ------------- Neil
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Posted By: Kudlinski
Date Posted: 14 Feb 08 at 6:20pm
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there is a b14 for sale at draycote, does not seem to bad. http://www.dwsc.commrich.co.uk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1745 - http://www.dwsc.commrich.co.uk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1745 ------------- RS400 866 RS300 381 |