Forgiving trapeze boat...?

   Hi again.
Lately i have been looking for a boat the either has asymmetric or symmetric spinnakers. It'd be nice if it was fairly forgiving and a be good trainer for something like an RS800 (hopefully future boat). We only weigh about 115 - 120 kgs together. Id be sailing this with my son aswel. Smallish lake with the possibility of the tide on some weekends.
Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated  

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Gray Daze Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 26 Oct 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 35	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gray Daze Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Forgiving trapeze boat...? Posted: 23 Sep 07 at 8:00pm
	Hi again. Lately i have been looking for a boat the either has asymmetric or symmetric spinnakers. It'd be nice if it was fairly forgiving and a be good trainer for something like an RS800 (hopefully future boat). We only weigh about 115 - 120 kgs together. Id be sailing this with my son aswel. Smallish lake with the possibility of the tide on some weekends. Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Villan Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 26 Nov 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1768	Post Options Post Reply Quote Villan Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 07 at 8:17pm
	Spice. Twin wire, nice large kite, pretty speedy when the wind gets up, but we were sailing it today in about 20 knts ( gusting more ... ) with about 120kg all up. Only capsised once because the helm dropped the tiller.
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JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 07 at 8:26pm
	I suggest you avoid extinct classes! I imagine that RS would be pushing you in the direction of their RS500.

Villan Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 26 Nov 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1768	Post Options Post Reply Quote Villan Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 07 at 8:46pm
	But Jim, Its perfect for what they want. To get the hang of twin wiring, why not sail a boat with 2 wires, and you can get the basics sorted. Who cares if its a dead class, its cheap to get into, and with two wires, its closer to the 800 they want to get into. £1800 for a Spice, Vs £5k ++ for a 500. ( Half the boat for over double the price ) Wont matter so much if you go through the Spice's main, as it wont push the value down any more if its been repaired. Patches on a 500 main will drop the price a lot!
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Smight at BBSC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 09 Jan 07 Location: Great Britain Online Status: Offline Posts: 1129	Post Options Post Reply Quote Smight at BBSC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 07 at 8:53pm
	I wouldn't say half the boat They are very different boats in lots of ways. It's like compairing the spice to a laser 3000
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Villan Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 26 Nov 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1768	Post Options Post Reply Quote Villan Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 07 at 9:01pm
	Half the wires, and half the kite area ... Close enough to half the boat
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MRJP BUZZ 585 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 05 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1496	Post Options Post Reply Quote MRJP BUZZ 585 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 07 at 9:19am
	Its got to be the buzz!!!!!!!!!! Perfect weight range, forgiving boat. Of course i am slightly biased.
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stuarthop Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 22 Dec 04 Location: Nottingham Online Status: Offline Posts: 1040	Post Options Post Reply Quote stuarthop Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 07 at 3:17pm
	500/ V3000 from me aswell. Both good boats and the v3000 has been very well developed from the L3000. Avoid the spice like the plague, really horrible boats and no matter what you pay for one you'll struggle to sell it and loose money. Not to forget theyre horrible!


ratface Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 Apr 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 686	Post Options Post Reply Quote ratface Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 07 at 4:12pm
	i would have to say rs500 if you have the money and want a racing circuit to go with it/ or a 3000 would do. but really you need to get a shortlist of boats that are nearest to what you need and test them... not just once but a few times to make sure it is the boat for you. p.s i know if i say Spice i will get slaughtered by people on the forum... however people at bough beach sailing club saw how much fun i was having at the weekend in it, not swimming like another twin wire boat there
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Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 07 at 5:17pm
	As far as symmetric spinnakers go, for light weights the Fireball, 420 or Laser 2 will do the job. You can spend anything from £100 to several thousand on any of them, but you will generally get what you pay for. Mid to high hundreds will get you something which might not be up to speed but which will give you a good platform for learning without too much breaking.
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