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    Posted: 30 May 07 at 11:27pm

Hi,

I'm in the market for a new toy and drooling whilst looking at pics and vids of skiffs speeding along.  I am wondering how difficult a skiff such as a RS 700 or MPS is to sail,  I'm happy to put effort in but don't want to spend ££££ and find out a napkin would've been a better solution for the drooling.

I love sailing, I've done a fair bit of ocean sailing and keelboat racing, I'm vaguely fit, 37 yrs old  and weigh 72kgs.  I've raced as crew on a Dart cat a few times (no problems at all).  My main aim is get out on the water, sail  and relish the rush.

Is it feasible to head directly into skiffs or should I start elsewhere in the dinghy world?

Appreciate your insights, thank you.

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CONTENDER! I've only had mine just over a week but I love it!  Get her on a reach and she just goooooooooooooooooooooos like theres no tomorrow . I got mine for £500 with a combi trailer, spare sail, launching trolley and a full set of covers. It needs some TLC but it's a good club boat.

If you are not used to sailing dinghy's then it might be better to go for a something along the lines of a laser to get used to small dinghy handling. Jumping into a skiff will be a BIG challenge.
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Jumping from leadmines to a skiff will be quite a change. I'd suggest crewing for someone in say an 800 or something for a while to get used to how things work in the skiff world and get more solid experience trapezing. If you screw up, a half decent helm can usually compensate/give you advice making the learning process quicker and less painful.

Helming double handed high performance boats is easier than a single handers, it cuts down the workload a bit and a second person in the boat makes the exits from tacks/gybes easier esp if they wire to wire tack.

Attempting to sail a boat that constantly nails you is no fun at all. Take it a step at a time, no doubt you will progress quickly with your background.

Also, watch the Higher & Faster dvd even though it is for double handers.
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Borrow a boat and have a go and see how you get on before you buy ...

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but dont be put off by the fact that you will swim on your first few gos, everyone does. first time i went in an 800 there was only about 8 knots of breeze and i still went for a refreshing dip, taking the helm with me (i was shaken off the rack by lardarse at the back of the bus leaping out in a gust, it was quite funny especialy as it was one of my first experiences of trapezing).
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Something like a Shadow seemed a good option ... until I saw the price!  My budget unfortunately does not stretch that far.  Damn.

I'm convinced that I'll need to get small boat handling skills before trying a skiff (mine or anyone elses).

Many thanks to all for the advice provided.

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Originally posted by turnturtle

once you're bored of it (1 season or 2)

its taken me 7 months to get bored of mine

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I think in your situation I would be going for a Vortex Assy.
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Sorting out small boat handling skills is possible a less risky option - it's a sensible development route etc. but it doesn't teach you a lot about skiffs except that it's really worth taking the gybes slowly at first.

Skiff sailing is a lot about having good initial fitness (remember that bit) and a strong sense of upright, even when everything's mobile. Think waterborne skateboard.

If you don't mind the steep learning curve you could become competent in a skiff faster, by having a go (repeatedly) and reading up about it. Watching skiff crews close up is also good if you get your eye trained on what's going on. You will capsize, but you'll get there faster.

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Back in the days when I was actively instructing on dinghies (5 years ago) a significant portion of pupils came from the keelboat fraternity. Often they'd have got their Day Skipper (all manouevres under power) but failed Coastal Skipper due to lack of "sailing" skill.

To some extent I agree with Tessa above that Skiffs are so different to other dinghies that there is little to be gained from taking the step-by-step approach.

However, the basics still count and proper boat trim is not something you will have picked up from keelboats. Boat trim is everything in skiffs so you need to get it right.

If you are just a speed junkie with no thought toward racing have you considered windsurfing or kitesurfing? Loadsa speed, fairly easy (compared to a skiff) to reach acceptable proficiency.

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