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ifoxwell ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jan 06 Location: Hoo Online Status: Offline Posts: 669 |
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When those that are in the no build a boat to a one design rule like a solo what dimensions do they tweak to the max or min to optimise performance. Are all boats different or is it the same basic tweaks that are always made? Ian |
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Isis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
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Most of the old one designs have tolerences built into their rules which would normally be a set of dimensions plus or minus one inch I beleive. These were put in to enable the boats to be easier to home build but as you say they can be used to tweak performance. Theres no specific method of designing a fast boat though unfortunately. If anyone discovers one can you let me know asap as its gonna make the next few years at uni a damn sight easier....
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foaminatthedeck ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 18 May 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 318 |
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Don't some of classes have a rule which states that if you build using the tolerances to opermise speed then the boat will not measure? There was a chap at a contender open meeting early this year who wanted to build a contender that would carry weight better. Not sure how that worked out though. |
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Isis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
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How can you define the difference between a boat built to optimise speed and a boat not built to the exact dimensions by builder error though? very tricky situation.... |
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Matt Jackson ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
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Yeah, sounds a little subjective to me.
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Ian99 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 138 |
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I'm totally sure how it applies, but with FRP moulded boats (i.e. pretty much everything these days!), the builder has to be approved as an authorised builder for the class. Part of this involves measuring the mould and a sample boat, and in some classes, if the mould is right on the limits, "authorised builder" status sometimes isn't forthcoming....
In theory, I think this has more to do with preventing boats that don't measure due to a very small manufacturing difference being sold, and the new owners then being told their shiny boat doesn't measure. My Fireball was right on the limit on the forward rocker station and a number of other measurements, but provided the builder can consistently build them to within a much smaller tolerance (I think they can manage down to about 1.5mm, but someone who actually builds boats might know better!) than allowed for in the rules there's nothing wrong with this. |
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Lukepiewalker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341 |
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If a builder sells you a boat that desn't measure you take it back and they build you one that does.
In fact it is enshrined in the Finn class rules that if your new hull doesn't measure they have to take it back (as long as it was measured within a year of being built) Obviously it isn't in the builders interests to build boats that then have to be replaced, nor is it in the classes interests to lose builders, so I suspect as Ian says most will have certified moulds before they start churning out the final product... |
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TeamFugu ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Dec 05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 80 |
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Actually the Swift has rather close tolerances. I don't think a couple cm in rocker change would make a big enough difference. You would probably have to be a much better builder than average to gain much but then as with most things, a flat bottom might be faster off the wind but then you'll suffer a bit up wind unless you race in flat water. You might minimize the bow volume for windward performance but then you'll dive more off the wind.
I think the biggest gains are to be had in quality of the software on top of the water than any adjustments you can make under the water. This will differ for boats that allow wide tolerances but some will not allow too much variance. |
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I luv Wight ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Jan 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 628 |
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The Solo class has rules that allow for so-called amateur building tolerances (mostly at about ± 25mm ), but also say that these tolerances cannot be used deliberately!
So you can only build to the fast shape ( whatever that might be ) by accident or incompetence, and you are not allowed to do it intentionally. |
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a_stevo ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 29 Aug 05 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 72 |
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generally people try to minimse waterline beam and wetted surface. whilst keeping the lines nice and straight. lots of compromises and things to weigh up. and you can never have the best hull for every condiotion |
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