New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Building to optimise performance
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Building to optimise performance

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123>
Author
ifoxwell View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 05 Jan 06
Location: Hoo
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 669
Post Options Post Options   Quote ifoxwell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Building to optimise performance
    Posted: 30 Nov 06 at 10:18pm

When those that are in the no build a boat to a one design rule like a solo what dimensions do they tweak to the max or min to optimise performance.

 

Are all boats different or  is it the same basic tweaks that are always made?

 

Ian

Back to Top
Isis View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 01 Sep 05
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2753
Post Options Post Options   Quote Isis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 06 at 9:23am
Most of the old one designs have tolerences built into their rules which would normally be a set of dimensions plus or minus one inch I beleive. These were put in to enable the boats to be easier to home build but as you say they can be used to tweak performance. Theres no specific method of designing a fast boat though unfortunately. If anyone discovers one can you let me know asap as its gonna make the next few years at uni a damn sight easier....
Back to Top
foaminatthedeck View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work
Avatar

Joined: 18 May 06
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 318
Post Options Post Options   Quote foaminatthedeck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 06 at 10:58am

Don't some of classes have a rule which states that if you build using the tolerances to opermise speed then the boat will not measure?

There was a chap at a contender open meeting early this year who wanted to build a contender that would carry weight better. Not sure how that worked out though.

Lark 2170
Back to Top
Isis View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 01 Sep 05
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2753
Post Options Post Options   Quote Isis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 06 at 1:35pm
Originally posted by foaminatthedeck

Don't some of classes have a rule which states that if you build using the tolerances to opermise speed then the boat will not measure?



How can you define the difference between a boat built to optimise speed and a boat not built to the exact dimensions by builder error though? very tricky situation....
Back to Top
Matt Jackson View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 04
Location: Darlington
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 962
Post Options Post Options   Quote Matt Jackson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 06 at 1:52pm
Yeah, sounds a little subjective to me.
Laser 203001, Harrier (H+) 36
Back to Top
Ian99 View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king


Joined: 07 Apr 05
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 138
Post Options Post Options   Quote Ian99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 06 at 5:15pm
I'm totally sure how it applies, but with FRP moulded boats (i.e. pretty much everything these days!), the builder has to be approved as an authorised builder for the class. Part of this involves measuring the mould and a sample boat, and in some classes, if the mould is right on the limits, "authorised builder" status sometimes isn't forthcoming....

In theory, I think this has more to do with preventing boats that don't measure due to a very small manufacturing difference being sold, and the new owners then being told their shiny boat doesn't measure. My Fireball was right on the limit on the forward rocker station and a number of other measurements, but provided the builder can consistently build them to within a much smaller tolerance (I think they can manage down to about 1.5mm, but someone who actually builds boats might know better!) than allowed for in the rules there's nothing wrong with this.

Back to Top
Lukepiewalker View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 24 May 06
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1341
Post Options Post Options   Quote Lukepiewalker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 06 at 5:55pm
If a builder sells you a boat that desn't measure you take it back and they build you one that does.
In fact it is enshrined in the Finn class rules that if your new hull doesn't measure they have to take it back (as long as it was measured within a year of being built)

Obviously it isn't in the builders interests to build boats that then have to be replaced,  nor is it in the classes interests to lose builders, so I suspect as Ian says most will have certified moulds before they start churning out the final product...
Back to Top
TeamFugu View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie
Avatar

Joined: 24 Dec 05
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 80
Post Options Post Options   Quote TeamFugu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 06 at 6:31pm
Actually the Swift has rather close tolerances. I don't think a couple cm in rocker change would make a big enough difference. You would probably have to be a much better builder than average to gain much but then as with most things, a flat bottom might be faster off the wind but then you'll suffer a bit up wind unless you race in flat water. You might minimize the bow volume for windward performance but then you'll dive more off the wind.

I think the biggest gains are to be had in quality of the software on top of the water than any adjustments you can make under the water.

This will differ for boats that allow wide tolerances but some will not allow too much variance.
Live large, love life, and sail fast.
Swift Sol Home, http://swiftsolo.com
Back to Top
I luv Wight View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 28 Jan 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 628
Post Options Post Options   Quote I luv Wight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 06 at 9:13pm
The Solo class has rules that allow for so-called amateur building tolerances (mostly at about ± 25mm ), but also say that these tolerances cannot be used deliberately!
So you can only build to the fast shape ( whatever that might be ) by accident or incompetence, and you are not allowed to do it intentionally.
Back to Top
a_stevo View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie


Joined: 29 Aug 05
Location: Australia
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 72
Post Options Post Options   Quote a_stevo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 06 at 11:43pm

generally people try to minimse waterline beam and wetted surface. whilst keeping the lines nice and straight.

lots of compromises and things to weigh up. and you can never have the best hull for every condiotion

Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy