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    Posted: 02 May 06 at 5:56am

Along the same lines as my other post, but this time for a doublehand boat.

I'm on a fleet planning committee for a college sailing club. We are looking at rotomolded boats in the 4-4.5m range for the doublehand training fleet. We currently have FJ's for training, with Laser2's for the slightly more advanced sailors. We would like something more durable (hence the rotomolded requirement), but still light enough that two college girls can drag it on and off the dock (roughly 120kg or so).

So far, we've found:

  • Topper Magno
  • Topper Xenon (might be too big)
  • RS Feva XL(might be too small)

The Vision is definitely too big, and the Vago is clearly not a novice boat.

So, my question is:

How do these boats stack up against a Laser2 or FJ in terms of performance, handling, etc.?

Also, it seems like the Magno is a fairly new boat. Is this true?

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Hi Kevin,

The Magno is new, but its heavy and big, plus apparently quite tippy.  As you say, the Xenon is too big.  The Feva isn't a bad choice, small but the cockpit is ok.  Underpowered for heavyweights but they are strong.  Given the choice I would go with Fevas. 

 

In terms of performance, the Laser II is probably faster than all of them - lightweight with a proper planing hull.  The Topper boats are heavy and the Feva lacks the sail area.  The FJ, I've no idea what that is although I know its almost exclusively American.  The Vago comes with a small rig as well, and could be useful as it can be "turboed" to give more experienced sailors a better ride, thus killing 2 birds with one stone.  You can actually helm off the wire singehanded with a kite, although not sure about the balance on the helm!
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Hi Kevin,

I own a Vago and the standard sail version is comparable with the Laser 2 and certainly suitable for less experienced sailors. The XD rig gives much more performance and the larger assymetric means it needs more respect going down wind to aviod a swim. The real difference is in sailing style, i.e. the Vago hull shape means that it must be sailed flat. If the boat is allowed to heel then the rudder ceases to be a rudder a becomes a big brake instead. In my view the Vago is a good stepping stone to a skiff as it rewards that style of sailing. Is that what you are looking for?

It also sails quite nicely single handed without the Jib, although rasing the Kite can require an extra arm to two at times!

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Originally posted by combat wombat

The Magno is new, but its heavy and big, plus apparently quite tippy. 

Tippy like a Laser2, or tippy like a log? One person's tippy is another person's stable.

We want people to learn to shift their weight. And by shift their weight, I mean by hiking. We really do not want a trapeze boat to teach absolute beginners how to sail.

 



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Originally posted by Sumo

I own a Vago and the standard sail version is comparable with the Laser 2 and certainly suitable for less experienced sailors. The XD rig gives much more performance

From my experience of the Vago XD (one race in F2-3, one in F3-4), I'd be happy to race against one on the water in a Laser 2 in all but the lightest of airs.

Sure, the Vago feels fast, just isn't. What's the PY of the XD? I'd put it at 1040.
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Hi

I think you will find the Xenon way to big.

The Magno looks the right size for you.

But if your use to the laser 2,
I would go for the vangard 3000.
20-30kg lighter, kite instead of a spinaker to make simpler.
Plus it looks great.
There is no douts there would be large que waiting to use it.

Had a great time on one last weekend at Datchet Water.

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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Originally posted by Sumo

I own a Vago and the standard sail version is comparable with the Laser 2 and certainly suitable for less experienced sailors. The XD rig gives much more performance

From my experience of the Vago XD (one race in F2-3, one in F3-4), I'd be happy to race against one on the water in a Laser 2 in all but the lightest of airs.

Sure, the Vago feels fast, just isn't. What's the PY of the XD? I'd put it at 1040.

The PY is 1000 for the XD two up and 1030 for the XD one up, the standard rig is 1070 and 1100 respectively. So close enough that the skill of the helm makes all the difference!
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i have a laser2, and when i raced against three XDs not that long ago, we beat them easily. admittedly, it was max force 3, mostly 1-2
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i am 14 and sail fevas in dubai at jebal ali sailing club they are loads of fun when the wind is up this arabic weekend(thursday/friday)there was no race and it was blowing 26knots gusting 29 as u can imagine we took afew BIG spills with the 8msq(bit small)spinniker
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fevas are awesome with some big waves and a f 5 if you have about 125kg in the boat . they are also ok in light airs aslong as you make the crew sit by the forestay, i mean leaning on the jib luff. the feva isnt that underpowered but i would say it could be a bit small for a colege club. feva_sailor you realy should have gone for a blast that weekend it sounds awesome, as long as there were nice big waves.
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