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    Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 10:27pm
Originally posted by Shingle

We are going to experiment with the Trapeze option. It's not going to drastically improve the boats speed, but may give it another dimension upwind. Downwind legs may be no different, as going deep may pay off. There's three 59ers in our club and if this makes them sail more or stops them selling then it can only be for the good from a local point of view. If we can go out in a blow without hurting afterwards then fine!

Russell, respect to your daughter hoisting and dropping the kite. Though the self tacker makes things simple.

Shingle when are you planning to first sail it with the trap option?

You won't regret it. It certainly does improve upwind performance - plus your legs don't hurt as much. My experience with going downwind is that you go faster & Deeper due to the apparent wind affect. This is the most surprising change since our conversion. In the 10 -15 knots range I don't think there would be many boats that would be faster downwind. If we are level with a 505 at the top mark we are 300 metres ahead by the time we round the leeward mark.  

Russell, I agree. A hundred acre lake, your daughter and a trapeze are probably not a good combination!  

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Yeah Russell, good point- welcome to real apparent wind sailing and not the 400s pale impersonation!

 

The boat is deadly fast on a white sails 'fetch' ie slack beat or mega tight reach, so you can choose to go up after the mark or near the next mark when it isn't windward leewards

 

This was a problem for B14 sailors I believe on restricted waters with 'round the cans' procession races.  Winward leeward is a far better set up for committee and sailors IMHO.

 

 

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She's not been in it yet - I'm too mean to buy her a drysuit while she is still growing, so she is waiting for warmer weather.  I have sailed with a novice crew though and I have done the drop myself.  Not sure if this will work when its windy, but we probably won't be out when its windy until she has got the hang of it. 

I was really suprised at the apparent wind effect, I didn't notice it nearly so much in the RS400.  I have been at one end of the lake thinking great I can go the full width (widest dimension) with the kite up only to get a gust and have to bear away 90 degrees almost.  The bank rushes towards you alarmngly at this point an one perfects the art of getting the kite promptly early on in the learning curve!

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We are going to experiment with the Trapeze option. It's not going to drastically improve the boats speed, but may give it another dimension upwind. Downwind legs may be no different, as going deep may pay off. There's three 59ers in our club and if this makes them sail more or stops them selling then it can only be for the good from a local point of view. If we can go out in a blow without hurting afterwards then fine!

Russell, respect to your daughter hoisting and dropping the kite. Though the self tacker makes things simple.

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You haven't seen where I sail - 100 acres is pretty small in 59er and my daughter is not very experienced.  If I was on the sea it would be a different matter.
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Originally posted by russell

Its not going trap as a class in the UK, its just an enhancement that some aussie guys are playing with as I understand it. I checked with Dave Hall before buying mine - I specifically wanted a non-trap boat also

Just play with it for a few months then put a trap on and see if you want to take it back off! - You won't 

 

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Its not going trap as a class in the UK, its just an enhancement that some aussie guys are playing with as I understand it. I checked with Dave Hall before buying mine - I specifically wanted a non-trap boat also
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Originally posted by tickel

Our Tasar went quite well on sunday only 3rd time out. My son was driving, 10st, with me in the front, 10 1/2 stone, it was a persuit race and we seemed very quick upwind when casualy hiked in the gusts. I did feel that with a few more kts wind it would tolerate fatter boys and certainly it would be nice and comfy for the "high and mighty". They also look very glam with the new sails.


Yes they do go well with larger, second row prop size helms in a blow!

I may forget the 59er and get a new tasar with Mylars if the 9er goes trap.

Much easier to get crew with a non trap boat.
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