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    Posted: 23 Feb 05 at 12:50am
Originally posted by pro wannabe

What country are 12's from i've never seen any in the uk! me and my mate have a 29er and want to upgrade! is this the right way to go? and what sort of price range are they?

if they arent in the uk should i try a 49er? and finally does any one have the full spec on them sail area, no of trapeze ,beam etc.?

12' skiffs are from Aus & New Zealand as are R-class skiffs.

If you want to upgrade from a 29er to a twin wire boat you should seriously consider a UK Cherub.  The rules have just been changed to increase white sails to 15.5m2 and kites to 21m2.  RMW are building off the shelf boats and will be on display at the Dinghy Show I believe.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote pro wannabe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 7:28pm
thanks blooby i'll have a look! but arent cherubes a development? so ill have to keep up grading?
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Put it this way, No. (12 ft skiffs and R-class are development classes too by the way).

UK CHerubs the leading designs over the last 7 years have been the Paterson 7, the Slug and the Butt Plug.  These boats were all designed in 1997 / 8 or so. Prior to that the leading design was the Italian Bistro - again for about 7 years or so.

So if you get into the class with a second hand boat to learn to sail them, and then do a single upgrade to one of the newest designs then you will probably not have to upgrade for 5 to 8 years or so.

And if you are telling me you want to be competitive (top 5 at the nationals type stuff) in an OD class and would not upgrade anything on the boat over the same period I don't think I or anyone else would believe you...

So don't let the development bit put you off joining a great class.

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I've recently become a member of the Cherub crew as i picked up my new boat yesterday! It's 'Taking Liberties' 2643 and of bistro design. I know it's not the newest boat out there but it's going to be undergoing a bit of a facelift over the next few months with snout, extended gunwhales, 97 rules kite and jib, and 2nd wire.Would like to bring it up to the very latest rule changes but being a student i don't really think that i can afford that!

Can't wait to get it out on the water on wednsday to see how she goes! 
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yer go for it!!!  tell use how it goe when you do get the boat on the water!!!!
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Originally posted by Blobby


And if you are telling me you want to be competitive (top 5 at the nationals type stuff) in an OD class and would not upgrade anything on the boat over the same period I don't think I or anyone else would believe you...


So don't let the development bit put you off joining a great class.



The current Cherub national champion was using a mainsail for it's sixth nationals, and jib and kite doing their third - so the sails last a long time (If you've got a fast boat!)
And runner up - mainsail and kite 5 nationals, jib 2 or 3.

Experience helps too - the champ first started cherubing in 1974!
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Now you're showing your age Andy!
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Originally posted by I luv Wight

Experience helps too - the champ first started cherubing in 1974!

As indeed did the crew/owner of the boat that won the handicap competition for older boats. And the previous year's inlands was won outright(admittedly in very unusual conditions) by the same 14 year old boat featuring the same antiquated forward hand:-)
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The fast Cherubs tend to stay fast for a few years below is a table showing the top boats of the past 25 years in terms of nationals wins

Sail No   Name                Design            Wins Runner Up Appearances
2637     Norwegian Blue   Italian Bistro    5           ; 4                  11
2705     Flat Stanley        Mod. Murray    5           ; 3                  15
2660     Pasta Frenzy      Pasta Frenzy   4           ; 2                   9
2676     Shiny Beast        Paterson  7     4              1                   6

Both the Bistro and the Patterson 7 designs have managed to fill the top three places at a single nationals, the Bistro in 1991 and the P7 in 2004

The average number of nationals that a boat does is 3.88, Five boats have clocked up more than 10 nationals, 26 boats have managed five or more and 17 boats did not like the heat of competition and have only done the one!

 

 

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Reporting back after taking the cherub out for her maiden voyage (well with me at the helm anyway!). Was blowing 20knots with squalls of much more, combine that with snow showers you've got yourself perfect conditions! Took a while to get used to what was going on as things happen much quicker in a cherub than a laser 2!! Got her upwind and then bore away onto a reach. Think it needs some seat belts installed as boy does she fly! Not been that scared/excited since the first time i trapezed years ago!

Need to do some modifications and repair work before she sets sail again but it was all worth it!
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