Airborne 12ft skiff
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Topic: Airborne 12ft skiff
Posted By: jimmywalsh
Subject: Airborne 12ft skiff
Date Posted: 06 Feb 05 at 10:31am
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Only got this photo today, I don't even remember the wave but it seems we got airborne.
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 06 Feb 05 at 12:18pm
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Blimey, gotta get me one of those! Looks great fun ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Twin Poles
Date Posted: 06 Feb 05 at 6:05pm
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It doesn't even look that choppy, imagine that thing in a big Shoreham style swell! That would be worth watching ------------- |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 06 Feb 05 at 6:45pm
have you got a picture of when you landed? cool picture!!!!!!!  ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Brian
Date Posted: 07 Feb 05 at 5:16pm
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seems like the 12foots really are the peak in terms of thrills!!! ------------- |
Posted By: hurricane
Date Posted: 07 Feb 05 at 6:42pm
| "cough" tornado sport "cough" |
Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 07 Feb 05 at 7:38pm
I'd say the 12 foot skiffs look far more fun. No competition!
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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 07 Feb 05 at 7:56pm
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yer defenatly. maybe some of the 12 footers should come and sail over her? ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 07 Feb 05 at 8:44pm
I'll get in before Lucy - haven't you heard of Cherubs? ------------- Garry Lark 2252, Contender 298 www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 07 Feb 05 at 11:33pm
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Hmmm, how many Cherubs have 220+ of upwind sail and a 550 ft2 spinnaker in the big rig? Lovely boats, Cherubs, but they're not 12s. PS Hurricane; Tornado = BMW M3 on autobahn 12' skiff = Moto X bike over bumps. |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 08 Feb 05 at 2:29am
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The one that looks like this ... http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/images/2680-20041107a.jpg"> (OK - its only a No. 2 rig, but...) |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 08 Feb 05 at 2:30am
| Picture taken at the Draycote Blast in Naff all wind |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 08 Feb 05 at 3:13am
Ah, well, then.... I'll save myself by being pedantic.....If it's a Cherub with a 12' skiff rig, it's not a Cherub but a 12. Throwing 12 rigs on Cherubs was been an occasional trick for years. One got 3rd in the 12' skiff nats not so long ago. Interestingly, there was some evidence of a (very) slight shift away from skinny flat (ie UK Cherub type) 12s recently, but don't quote me on that 'cause I have yet to confirm it. However, it seems to confirm what the "coffin" designers say; skinny flat boats like the Moth, Cherub and Aust. Skate work really well but only in a narrow power/weight band. So how is the UK 12/Cherub going? |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 08 Feb 05 at 5:36am
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I had a couple of email exchanges with David Lee who designed Nuplex - Nuplex is hard chined with the chine beam at about 750 - 760mm. The next version, the S25, is going to be more like 850mm wide at the chines. Apparently the aim is to allow the boat to sail deeper angles downwind due to the extra lift from the hull for better VMG. Nuplex seems to be very very fast upwind and reaching but the extra tactical option of going deeper should help win more races... Yes the Cherub is not actually a Cherub as such, but I couldn't resist it. |
Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 08 Feb 05 at 8:18am
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Gotta agree with Chris....... Totaly different animals and would not compare the 2. As far as thrill factor the 12 is not second to the T. However I would not say The T is second either. Boath boats are awsome when pushed to the limits. (as with many other classes)
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Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 08 Feb 05 at 8:32am
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Blobby, that's what I was referring to; I spoke to Alex (Nuplex's
owner) at the Interdoms but I hadn't checked things over with David Lee. I also spoke to Emmett Lazich, world Moth champ, 49er gold medal coach and 18' and 12' sailor. He reckons that the super-skinny Moth hull woould not work on the bigger skiffs because the shape has too low a top speed limit. The Moth is super quick on close and beam reaches in 15-20 knots compared to boats like 505s and FDs, but Emmett reckons it's knots slower than the 12 off the breeze. Coupled with Nuplex's problems "bogging down" at times, it's an interesting shift - because some of the top skiff designers were musing that a giant Moth may be the way to the future. Maybe that's not the case. |
Posted By: Brian
Date Posted: 08 Feb 05 at 4:00pm
*cough* two toothpaste tubes *cough* ------------- |
Posted By: Twin Poles
Date Posted: 08 Feb 05 at 5:51pm
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From what i've seen of 12 footers they tend to have alot rounder hull shapes compared to the Cherub's harder chines. Can anyone tell me why this is? Does it make them easier to control at high speeds? ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 08 Feb 05 at 9:32pm
My theory is that the Cherub hulls are bolt upright hulls - you shed about a knot for every 2 degrees of heel, but really quick when upright. This is probably exactly right for a moderately canvassed single string boat which is what all the current UK designs were when on the drawing board. Twelves on the other hand have a lot more power, and are rather more challenging tkeep bolt upright every second so slightly more drag in exchange for more tolerance to heel is a good call - especially when the static waterline beam is a bit narrower as well. |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 08 Feb 05 at 10:28pm
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Yep, that's what the 12 guys say. |
Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 08 Feb 05 at 11:18pm
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Soon the cherubs will probably have 15.5m² upwind and + 21m² down wind..... so getting more 12 skifflike, and therefore requiring a completely different design development route.
I have been looking at the Woof 12 design.... very nice and fair, and with a flattish part of hull horizontal - regardless of the heel angle! so maybe the next generation of uk cherubs may look more like this. The current low sail area favours flat shapes that plane early, but need to be sailed flat or heeled to windward. The best training for cherub sailing is moth sailing where you learn the windward heel thing. |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 09 Feb 05 at 12:08pm
Bugger, I hope you don't change the rigs in that case I quite like the interesting shapes on the UK Cherubs and there are enough 12 shapes around as it is Ooops...can I say "bugger" on a UK forum? Insert "crickey" or "dash it" if you please. |
Posted By: Brian
Date Posted: 09 Feb 05 at 4:22pm
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na, sweet as mate! ------------- |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 09 Feb 05 at 5:05pm
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go here http://clearthinking.users.btopenworld.com/cherubpics.html to
see the lattest UK Cherub, it is still in development. Just waitting for that bigger rig. |
Posted By: Twin Poles
Date Posted: 09 Feb 05 at 5:51pm
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Cheers JimC very informtive. I read you cherub guys are testing bigger kites but wasn't aware you were looking at a bigger upwind sail area as well. What sort of weight is that Loco Perro, are you having to put correctors in yet or do you just beef up the hull? ------------- |
Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 09 Feb 05 at 6:27pm
To make an 'old' cherub competetive, it is likely that it will need a new main. jib and kite ( fairly obviously, and these do wear out ) but also a longer mast, longer boom, longer pole. Also the self tacker track may need moving to get some extra area in the jib, and maybe moving the mast. and the daggerboard might need moving oh - and the hull shape might need changing! |
Posted By: LocoP
Date Posted: 09 Feb 05 at 7:38pm
So far I'm really pleased with it, its a moderate design which isnt that different to some other cherubs around the waterline. The difference is the obviously "big" topsides. The theory behind the design (or reason for picking that design) was realated to the fact we now twin wire. When I'm in the boat and playing with two wires, things occasionally go wrong. I thought a more forgiving hull shape might allow us to get away with the occasional wobble around the marks or mis-calculation of downwind angles without too much trouble. Only time will tell if I am right - but so far its been fun, and thats what its all about at the end of the day. With regard to the proposed changes in sail plan, if they are voted in, then older boats will be able to upgrade and boost all round speed with a bit off effort. The class hasn't shied away from this kind of challenge in the past and i'm sure that it will stimulate lots of playing with carbon and resin. At present there's plenty of cherub building activity and lots of interest in the class. Whichever way the vote goes the futures bright and heart shaped. Class promotion over - have you guessed what I sail?
------------- Get your heart racing |
Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 09 Feb 05 at 7:54pm
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The UK cherub hull shape may need to change to make it easier to sail ( as loco says above ) with the extra power, however it's not yet clear how much extra power the new rigs will give.
Maybe the existing flat boats will be still be OK, and faster than the 12 shapes - because the sail area is still small compared to 12 skiffs. lots of hearts posting on this topic! |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 09 Feb 05 at 8:17pm
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Wow i want a go on a Cherub!
They are lush! ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: LocoP
Date Posted: 09 Feb 05 at 8:50pm
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Well wave rider get on the cherub website http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub - www.sailingsource.com/cherub and email the webmaster or come and see us at the dinghy show... Im sure we can help.
------------- Get your heart racing |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 09 Feb 05 at 9:39pm
Wow Ok thanks that would be amazing!  ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: jimmywalsh2
Date Posted: 09 Feb 05 at 10:17pm
| I am not sure if the boxy shape is much better underpowered, I you look at the R-Class boats which are similar to Cherubs in area, they have all headed down the Woof path. However that may be due to the availability of the Woof mould rather than having to build a new boat. But who knows. |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 10 Feb 05 at 1:31pm
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I think part of the reason for the more rounded hulls and wide flairs of the 12's and R's is the large Kites set on long poles. The large kite moves the center of effort forward resulting in alot of lee helm, the boats have to sail down wind heeled over to neutralise that and so need a hull shape that tollerates a bit of heel. The larger Cherub Kites ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: Lucy Lee
Date Posted: 10 Feb 05 at 10:43pm
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Where do you sail Wave Rider? We (me and the webmaster) will be at Datchet this weekend if you fancy a blast. ------------- Fly Cherub! |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 11 Feb 05 at 12:27am
| One difference between R's and cherubs though is the fact that R's come from a very windy country and UK Cherubs don't on the whole, so the R's whilst having about the same white sail area spend much more time fully powered... |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 11 Feb 05 at 1:08pm
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Ok That would be great but i sail at Chew so its quite a long way but another week would be amazing please!!!!!
Looks like its going to be a windy weekend! YEY! ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 11 Feb 05 at 10:04pm
The Uk wind is surprisingly light on average, so maybe the current UK cherubs with flat hulls will still have a speed advantage over the ( easier to sail ) shapes with more round or rise of floor - and perhaps be even faster relatively in non-overpowered conditions. |
Posted By: pro wannabe
Date Posted: 22 Feb 05 at 7:44pm
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What country are 12's from i've never seen any in the uk! me and my mate have a 29er and want to upgrade! is this the right way to go? and what sort of price range are they? if they arent in the uk should i try a 49er? and finally does any one have the full spec on them sail area, no of trapeze ,beam etc.? ------------- Your spinni aint as big as your mouth! |
Posted By: pro wannabe
Date Posted: 22 Feb 05 at 7:47pm
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by the way im not in america my sis completed my form and was in a bad mood! ------------- Your spinni aint as big as your mouth! |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 22 Feb 05 at 7:55pm
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The 12f oot skiff comes from New Zealand i think and there is no specific number of trapeze or anything like that because it is a developement class which means you change the boat to your spec................ ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 23 Feb 05 at 12:50am
12' skiffs are from Aus & New Zealand as are R-class skiffs. If you want to upgrade from a 29er to a twin wire boat you should seriously consider a UK Cherub. The rules have just been changed to increase white sails to 15.5m2 and kites to 21m2. RMW are building off the shelf boats and will be on display at the Dinghy Show I believe. |
Posted By: pro wannabe
Date Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 7:28pm
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thanks blooby i'll have a look! but arent cherubes a development? so ill have to keep up grading? ------------- Your spinni aint as big as your mouth! |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 28 Feb 05 at 2:46am
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Put it this way, No. (12 ft skiffs and R-class are development classes too by the way). UK CHerubs the leading designs over the last 7 years have been the Paterson 7, the Slug and the Butt Plug. These boats were all designed in 1997 / 8 or so. Prior to that the leading design was the Italian Bistro - again for about 7 years or so. So if you get into the class with a second hand boat to learn to sail them, and then do a single upgrade to one of the newest designs then you will probably not have to upgrade for 5 to 8 years or so. And if you are telling me you want to be competitive (top 5 at the nationals type stuff) in an OD class and would not upgrade anything on the boat over the same period I don't think I or anyone else would believe you... So don't let the development bit put you off joining a great class. |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 28 Feb 05 at 12:04pm
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I've
recently become a member of the Cherub crew as i picked up my new boat
yesterday! It's 'Taking Liberties' 2643 and of bistro design. I know
it's not the newest boat out there but it's going to be undergoing a
bit of a facelift over the next few months with snout, extended
gunwhales, 97 rules kite and jib, and 2nd wire.Would like to bring it
up to the very latest rule changes but being a student i don't really
think that i can afford that! Can't wait to get it out on the water on wednsday to see how she goes!
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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 28 Feb 05 at 1:37pm
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yer go for it!!! tell use how it goe when you do get the boat on the water!!!! ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 01 Mar 05 at 9:39pm
The current Cherub national champion was using a mainsail for it's sixth nationals, and jib and kite doing their third - so the sails last a long time (If you've got a fast boat!) And runner up - mainsail and kite 5 nationals, jib 2 or 3. Experience helps too - the champ first started cherubing in 1974! |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 02 Mar 05 at 12:26am
| Now you're showing your age Andy! |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 02 Mar 05 at 1:25am
As indeed did the crew/owner of the boat that won the handicap competition for older boats. And the previous year's inlands was won outright(admittedly in very unusual conditions) by the same 14 year old boat featuring the same antiquated forward hand:-) |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 02 Mar 05 at 1:24pm
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The fast Cherubs tend to stay fast for a few years below is a table showing the top boats of the past 25 years in terms of nationals wins Sail No Name Design Wins Runner Up Appearances Both the Bistro and the Patterson 7 designs have managed to fill the top three places at a single nationals, the Bistro in 1991 and the P7 in 2004 The average number of nationals that a boat does is 3.88, Five boats have clocked up more than 10 nationals, 26 boats have managed five or more and 17 boats did not like the heat of competition and have only done the one!
------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 02 Mar 05 at 11:58pm
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Reporting
back after taking the cherub out for her maiden voyage (well with me at
the helm anyway!). Was blowing 20knots with squalls of much more,
combine that with snow showers you've got yourself perfect conditions!
Took a while to get used to what was going on as things happen much
quicker in a cherub than a laser 2!! Got her upwind and then bore away
onto a reach. Think it needs some seat belts installed as boy does she
fly! Not been that scared/excited since the first time i trapezed years
ago! Need to do some modifications and repair work before she sets sail again but it was all worth it! |
Posted By: Lucy Lee
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 9:38am
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Glad to hear it was a success Tim! If you do want some 'seat-belts' I can recomend 'Sh-ock' foot-loops, made by Simon Hiscocks. They have completely revolutionized our ability to stay glued to the boat off wind. http://www.ruleone.co.uk/ - http://www.ruleone.co.uk/ ------------- Fly Cherub! |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 10:44am
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I think that I will have to wait before i buy new foot straps as at the
moment they would be fine but the boat would fall apart around them!
Stage 1 of the overhaul is happening over easter and then we're gonna
try and have the rest done by the nationals. In between times I have
got to try and learn to sail it and not fail my uni course...... gonna
be fun ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 1:22pm
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Who needs sleep anyway? What needs done on the boat or is it too long a list for a keyboard to survive? ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 2:55pm
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well i've decided to split up the list into "essentials" and "luxuries" so that i don't waste my time! In the essentials list... i have to re-secure the Main Sail Track back onto the mast as the rivets have gone at the top and bottom. We tied the sail tight against the mast to stop it delaminating further but that really needs to be fixed permanently. Need to install a second set of spreaders on the mast in preparation for the mast head kite and i don't know if i trust the single set up in heavy wind! Hull needs some work as there are some dings which look like they might be taking water, and it also needs a complete respray due to the shocking paint job at the mo and it's also thin in places. Luxuries list... Need to build a snout for the new jib. Build new foils as the current ones seem very square! Also the rudder is fixed so am going to build a daggerboard style. Twin wire and twin tiller extensions. Extend gunwhales out level with the gantry. ..... thats it at the moment but it should keep me busy!! ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 5:25pm
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thats a fair bit of work make sure you do a prooper job of it though ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 5:48pm
Tin mast or plastic? Always worth avoiding rivetting to plastic even if someone else has done it. Sikaflex is good for dissimilar materials onto plastic tubes. If tin just rivet again of course.
You can run a kite halyard quite high above the hounds with single spreaders provided that you are disciplined about keeping a reasonable amount of kicker on and not letting the mainsheet off too far downhill. Not masthead though! This pic shows the setup on my old tin mast which never gave a moments worry, but your hounds will be (rightly) lower than those were, so you need to allow for that. 
Paint is suprisingly heavy. You need to make sure you are taking all unnecessary paint off before adding more especially if there are a lot of layers. Plus getting the main surface back to the undercoat can save a lot of minor fairing on scratches. I'm a fan of random orbital sanders for heavy paint removal, but also invest in serious dustmasks! |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 6:04pm
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It's a carbon mast and it looks like the track is metal. Hard to tell
really as my hands were numb and it has quite a lot of carbon and resin
on it! Would Sikaflex be enough on its own or would it be best to lay
some carbon up around it as well? Also where would i go to buy this
Sikaflex? The Kite halyard is already quite high up the mast but as i have a spare set of spreaders available to me I feel that installing them might be best on the safe side. I should be picking up a 15m and an 18m kite at the weekend so i will have to wait and see what shape they set at with the current position before i decide to go masthead or not for certain. As far as the painting goes it is definitely going to be stripped right back as i'm not sure the blue with yellow stars on the top and white with red spots on the bottom are really doing anything for my "water cred"! ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 6:14pm
Wot?
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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 7:46pm
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havent you ever herd of "street cred" it is basicly the same but ont the water. ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 8:08pm
| I got the water cred bit I was just shocked at the boat. |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 8:16pm
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its not that bad. it just needs a little bit of work doing to it. ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 8:31pm
| lol i rele gota b more specific, the colour scheme is slightly.... garish. |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 9:17pm
 thought i'd try and give you a bit of a taster! lets just hope this works with the images! 
------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 9:23pm
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hmmmmm. looks to me very much like a failure!! i'll try again.....   ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 9:43pm
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If its a metal track glue sounds good - its hard to get epoxy to stick well to aluminium. If you're going to sailboat you can probably find some there, and the stuffseems to be reasonably available on line... BUT there are a whole host of different grades of sikaflex and I confess I don't know which one you want...
I thought the stars on Taking Liberties looked quite neat when new, although its not an effect that has survived wear well - looks too tatty too quickly really. My boat has recently featured dark blue overspray spots on light blue topsides, but I do keep her monochrome below the chines for ease of maintenance and fairing. Half polished off spots and patterns look less than wonderful! |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 10:34pm
| oh wow that isnt quite how I imainged it. slightly better i must say. |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 11:00pm
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Hmm, I have to say that is pretty minging! Although more imaginative than my all over yellow... Your list of jobs looks very similar to mine...although whoopee my list has shrunk a bit now! Your daggerboard looks identical, but I see what you mean about the square rudder!!! If you want to build a new one it's really not that hard, and I have a routing jig which I made which you're welcome to borrow...it enables you to rout out an NACA0010 profile from a 19x195mm blank of foam or cedar. And I take it you know the old trick of carbon carp net landing poles at £35 the pair rather than proper chandlery-priced extensions at £140 the pair... Apart from the colour scheme the boat looks really good...and that is one serious gantry you have there!!!! Enjoy... ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 04 Mar 05 at 10:03pm
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the colour isnt that bad it could be worse!!! so what colour are you going to paint the cherub next? ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 04 Mar 05 at 10:27pm
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can i put a sujestion forward..... Pink |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 04 Mar 05 at 11:37pm
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Sorry, I only meant the bottom is minging...perhaps it's designed to give you more encouragement to keep it the right way up! ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: pro wannabe
Date Posted: 05 Mar 05 at 7:33pm
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silver!!!!!!! its the ultimate coulor but paint "pants" on the bottom in gold ------------- Your spinni aint as big as your mouth! |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 05 Mar 05 at 7:36pm
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lol or a G string. ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 10 Mar 05 at 12:04pm
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best text on the bottom of a hull, is PTO, on the boat of the same anem, always makes the rescue crew laugh. ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 10 Mar 05 at 12:59pm
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lol that is a good idea ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 10 Mar 05 at 1:01pm
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call me a liar but i thought the general plan was to keep the boat the
right way up?! in my previous experience they go quicker that way! You rig cherubs on their side anyway due to the lack of halyards so the bottom would be on show a lot so PTO might not be the best plan or you will get people trying to put your boat back on the trolley when you are trying to rig ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 10 Mar 05 at 2:13pm
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Lol yeah have had friends that actualy seem to go faster upside down. lol ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 10 Mar 05 at 2:24pm
There was a nice if slightly macabre story I heard from the 1930s or that aosrt of era. Lord something, a keen yachtsman, but never quite, shall we say, in the first echelon, had died and had chosen to be buried at sea. So out they went to the mouth of the estuary, with coffin on board and conducted the ceremony. Unfortunately the undertakers had not sufficiently ballasted the coffin and it floated. And headed in on the tide at considerable speed. To which one of the crew on the boat running the ceremony remarked to another "I must say his Lordship's going a lot better in his coffin then he ever did in his yacht" |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 10 Mar 05 at 2:59pm
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Lol thats soooo bad, yet oddly amusing. ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: hydrographer20
Date Posted: 10 Mar 05 at 5:16pm
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oh that does sound funny- would have been funny o see as a bystander but horrible if u were hisfamily ------------- byte me!- GBR 814 |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 10 Mar 05 at 5:21pm
Oh I rele dotn know how i would react to that if i was there.  ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: ssailor
Date Posted: 10 Mar 05 at 6:22pm
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hahah sounds very funny, i would of hade a right laugh watching that happen! very embarising for the undertakers!
------------- Any one in need of quality carbon fibre work (tillers etc) at decent prices! Int 14 Gbr 1244 'Nucking Futs' The New Port rule!!. |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 10 Mar 05 at 6:35pm
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Yeah i think i would have to laugh but would feel bad. ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: sailorguy
Date Posted: 10 Mar 05 at 10:16pm
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imbarassing, but what do you think happened to the undertakers?! ------------- RS 500 (twin wire) Laser 157607 Laser 85446 Pico 2136 |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 13 Mar 05 at 11:11am
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lol yer i would be well annoyed!! ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 13 Mar 05 at 1:56pm
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well if ur dead i don't think u'll mind ------------- Jon Vortex 1169 http://www.yorkshiredales.sc/ - Yorkshire Dales Sailing Club |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 13 Mar 05 at 3:47pm
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yer spose but i could haunt them!!! ------------- International 14 1503 |