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    Posted: 24 May 07 at 11:17am

OK, before we go too far...

Most of us, myself included, are happy to buy food and drinks at clubs - convenient + support the club and all that. But you need to remember that in these days of wildly diverging household incomes, there are a lot of people about who really do need to watch every penny. These are people who often work just as hard as you and I do but get paid a pittance, and they deserve not our condemnation but our respect for not just chucking in their job and going on benefit.

Of course, there are the rich, tight-fisted as well, but we need to remember to distinguish...
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Originally posted by Contender443

OK here is another slant on this issue. We have a Laser Open this weekend but some of our own members will not be taking part because they refuse to pay an entry fee to sail at their own club. The entry fee is only £10.00

Are you serious ... you really don't need members like that

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I just can not except not wanting to pay the entry fee. After all they probably get a reduction of at least £10 on the petrol cost to get to the open compared to everyone else and they get good sailors coming to them!

Also the Laser open is part of a series with some excellent prizes. I would ask if the "same members" are members of the UKLA but I have a funny feeling I know the answer!!

 
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Maybe you should have a name and shame board...............

 

It does sound a bit sad that people are really so bad they wont support their own club for the sake of a tenner!

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When I had may Laser I must admit I was never a part of the CA but I always did my home clubs open and was happy to pay the entry fee (we have laser sailors that we only see on open meeting day their boats do not move for the rest of the year).

I always try to support open events we have at the club by offering my services as part of the race team if I am available or by getting a ride or borrowing a boat. It is how the club survives through the spport of the membership.

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This has moved on from the original question.

Question 1 - should people be members of genuine club / national authority to compete in opens?  Yes they should and their entries should not be accepted if they are not, and they should be protested if the entries are accepted.  The RYA should be reminding clubs of their obligations in this regard.

Question 2 - should open events be free to club members?  I realise that the convention is to require an entry fee.  Some clubs do give discounts to their own members.  I feel that they should be free to club members.  It should be a benefit of your membership that when your class has an event you get to join in for free.  It is an event at your club that is open to more than the membership.  You have paid your membership and the others are paying for temporary membership by their entry fees.  You are the host they are the guest.  It would be another tool that clubs could use to support fleet racing rather than the handicap racing that is harming clubs beyond belief.

The money side is not important to me either way.  Maybe a convention that your home open meeting was a benefit might persuade more people to take up club memberships and inevitably put a little bit more back into the sport than they would otherwise do.
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Our club doesn't charge members for open events on the argument that the vast majority of the membership doesn't travel any way and if there was no charge, members could sail 1 day of the event and at least get some racing that weekend, without having to pay extra. The down side is that these people who have no intention of actually qualifying can have an influence on the results of those who are competing
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Originally posted by giraffe

Question 2 - should open events be free to club members? 

Yes if there are NO prizes. If there are prizes of any shape or form then they need to be paid for.
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Is there an insurance implication? Liability insurance may be such that the insurer insists that anyone who competes/sails/is in anyway under the care of the club may need to be a member of a club or the RYA - this weeds out total numpties.

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