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    Posted: 18 May 07 at 9:33pm

As far back as I can remember in order to enter any open event, you had either be a member of an RYA affiliated club, or a member of the RYA. Class associations did not count, as you did not pay an individual RYA supplement. Looking through some of the recent reports some of the clubs have been recorded as the class association, and in one case at the RS500 event, LDC!

Does this meen that if I start just doing opens again and no club racing, I can get away without being a member of a club or the RYA? or do we, as a sport need to start policing this better?

I expect that this will spark a debate about what the RYA does for us, but without them we dont have rules etc, so we have to have them, and should support them.

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I don't understand why the RYA needs money for you to sail in an open?

I'm pretty sure no one would care, esp at open level. Most fleets would be happy to see another boat on the line.
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AIUI any organisation can become RYA afiliated, it doesn't need to be a club. I can't comment on the examples given, but I don't believe there's any reason why they shouldn't be RYA affiliated in the relevant way.

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Originally posted by m_liddell

I don't understand why the RYA needs money for you to sail in an open?

Because it's in the Racing Rules of Sailing. 

75 ENTERING A RACE

75.1 To enter a race, a boat shall comply with the requirements of the

organizing authority of the race. She shall be entered by

(a) a member of a club or other organization affiliated to an ISAF

member national authority,

(b) such a club or organization, or

(c) a member of an ISAF member national authority.

In the UK, the ISAF member authority is the UK.

Like most things in sailing, should you decide to ignore the rule and cheat, you will probably get away with it.

 



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Originally posted by JimC

AIUI any organisation can become RYA afiliated, it doesn't need to be a club.

I've been through the process of affiliating an organisation to the RYA for the first time. Yes I believe a class association could affiliate - however there is a per-capita annual charge by the RYA which would be not inconsiderable in the context of typical class association subscriptions. If I remember, we did have to provide some evidence we were a bona-fide member's organisation and involved in sailing.  
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When I was last on a class association, there was a difference between a class and a club affiliation, and you often had to be a member of both to compete. Class affiliation had to do with providing measurers, technical advice, PY etc, and was a one off fee, where as to be personally affiliated you had either have to pay the individual supplement via a club, or join the RYA directly.

Once you have equipment sailing is one of the cheapest sports around, and I feel we should respect the rules.

 

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It always seems very strange to me that the RYA does not inforce class membership at its events (but at the same time will use class measurers).


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I don't understand why sailors need to be members of clubs to compete at Open event level.

Compared to bicycle racing it seems bizarre.  To race my bike I need to have a certain type of membership of the governing body (costing about £65/year).  After that I can enter any event I like.  This includes 3rd party insurance!  It seems a bit like sailing needs to change its setup to better reflect how people live.  Most people don't have time to do a series of Open events around the country as well as club racing.

Maybe this is one of the reasons why cycling is expanding as a sport while sailing seems to be declining.
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Originally posted by WildWood

I don't understand why sailors need to be members of clubs to compete at Open event level.

You don't. You can be a personal member of the RYA i.e. the governing body,  just like your cycling example.
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Originally posted by WildWood

I don't understand why sailors need to be members of clubs to compete at Open event level.

Maybe this is one of the reasons why cycling is expanding as a sport while sailing seems to be declining.

Sailing isn't on the decline..

If it was, for arguments sake, I very much doubt that having to be a club/ RYA member in order to compete in open events would be a cause! I don't know any sailors who just race at class events and don't belong to a club.

IIRC, RYA membership costs ~£30 a year, and thrid party insurance from Noble could be obtained for my RS800 at ~£25 a year (as opposed to £400 for fully comp.). Therefore, it could be argued that sailing, like for like is cheaper...

 
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