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Splosh 
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 Topic: Europe vs Laser vs other?Posted: 13 May 07 at 6:50pm |
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I'm near Ipswich (suffolk), I sail at Alton Water. Mark |
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Ross
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Posted: 13 May 07 at 6:03pm |
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I was considering a Vortex, but I am now set on a Contender. Out of interest, where do you live?
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Splosh
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Posted: 13 May 07 at 5:40pm |
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Vortex is the best option!!! I've had mine for about 1/2 a year now and i've just recently purchased the assy kit. You can normually spot some cheap ones on apploduck.co.uk , they will probably be non asymmetric but until you've had some practice and got used to the boat there is no need for it! I picked mine up for only £1200 and i believe there is one for sale local to me at around the same price! mark
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Ross
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Posted: 13 May 07 at 3:13am |
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461 sold before i could get it. BUGGER. I'm thinking of bidding on the one on eBay, I can't see it going for a lot more than it is already. I can spend some money on upgrading it but I would have to start drilling holes and changing out parts.
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ColH
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Posted: 12 May 07 at 7:27pm |
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Oh and the other thing to bear in mind about the Contender vs. Europe /Laser: the Contender is a thing of beauty! Maybe one or two of the modern SMOD's will look as graceful one day, but to my mind there's nothing quite so elegant on the water as a Contender. Except perhaps a Flying 15.
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ColH
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Posted: 12 May 07 at 7:25pm |
Abso-bloody-lutely! Including the mainsheet tower and the majority of the cockpit floor, especially if you're vertically-challenged like me. As I recall, Contender control systems are much simpler than many other single-handers (except maybe a Laser, but they're just...well.....moving on....). I particularly liked the split kicker arrangement - blindingly simple but extremely effective, no overkill.
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radial179102
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Posted: 12 May 07 at 6:48pm |
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Right, now for a rant about why you should choose a Europe;
I am 5"10 and about 63kg, and boom height is no problem, just for a start, they are quite quick, light (45kg!!) and so responsive it's untrue! There are going to be new UK builders soon (RMW) and the open meetings and nationals numbers are on the increase. They are tweaky fiddly boats but for what you get, they are very cheap. Mine is a top spec Winner hull with a carbon mast, full race kit and brand new control lines. 3 sails of different sorts too, and it was only £1500. Oh and that included roadbase and u/o covers. Mine wasn't necessarily a bargain either, lots of Europes are selling for that price. I am inclined to agree with everyone else though, try lots of different boats, I love the Europe because it's right for me, which may not be the case for you! |
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Contender512
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Posted: 11 May 07 at 9:35am |
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I agree, 461 looks the better boat. From what I can make out from the photos, it looks as if the control lines have been upgraded to modern rigging techniques. Have a look here http://www.contenderworld.de/images/this-old-boat/gil_boats/ index.html for some info on upgrading older Contenders. Much easier to buy one where the upgrades have already been done, particularly changing the kicker from two cleats on the side decks to a single central cleat on a swivel - makes it much easier to adjust. |
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Black no sugar
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Posted: 11 May 07 at 9:23am |
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http://www.sailcontender.org.uk/contender-faqs/what-should-i -look-for-when-buying-secondhand.html This link to an article in the British Contender Association website might be a start. |
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Contender443
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Posted: 11 May 07 at 7:42am |
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Hello Ross
461 looks the better boat - anything made by Wavelength in the rig is good. Also 461 has severalo sails, so one of them must be reasonable. They are both the same make of hull so no difference there. They were build by Rondar and are reasonably solid. Progrip is a must. So spend the extra money and get the newer boat. You would only regret not getting it. |
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