Europe vs Laser vs other?

   I am really looking foward to it. I wish I had come tonight, but prior commitmeants prevented me. Whats you name by the way? Combat Wombat is a bit of a mouth full  ! The poking around would be appriciated.
cheers.

PS: If you ever need a crew, give me a shout! I can hoist and trim a spinnaker nicely  ....assuming that you helm....

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Ross Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 02 May 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1163	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ross Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Europe vs Laser vs other? Posted: 04 May 07 at 12:07am
	I am really looking foward to it. I wish I had come tonight, but prior commitmeants prevented me. Whats you name by the way? Combat Wombat is a bit of a mouth full ! The poking around would be appriciated. cheers. PS: If you ever need a crew, give me a shout! I can hoist and trim a spinnaker nicely ....assuming that you helm.... Edited by Ross

combat wombat Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 16 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 345	Post Options Post Reply Quote combat wombat Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 04 May 07 at 12:20am
	George - the one with the bluey greeney turquoisey B14. I'm a crew for high performance boats. Currently sailing the 800 on Thursday evenings and B14 at weekends. The RS800 isn't mine but I'm sailing it with the ex helm of 18ft Skiff Base1 so he knows whats going on! There is an opening for an ISO crew currently at KGSC if you are boatless for the present time, talk to the guy with the yellow ISO. I can helm to a point however so if I am short of crew I will find you - as you know I sold my single hander, and I hate Lasers so won't sail the club boats. We won't be around this weekend or the next weekend but should be sailing Saturday 19th.
	B14 GBR 772

Deimos Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 08 Nov 06 Location: France Online Status: Offline Posts: 12	Post Options Post Reply Quote Deimos Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 04 May 07 at 8:14pm
	Without knowing the fleets where you sail, nor having experience of the other classes you mention, some aspects that steered me towards a Laser recently were things like Decent fleets in most places Loads of open meetings around the place Fast to rig (even with the latest high purchase XD equipment) Keep 2nd hand value well and easy to sell when changing later Strict one design means that when you win/lose you are doing that and not you cheque book (at least to a greater extent than some other classes). Great fun, etc., etc. I'm sure the other classes have their advantages as well (I just don't know them well enough to make comparisons) Ian

radixon Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 27 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2407	Post Options Post Reply Quote radixon Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 04 May 07 at 9:19pm
	Agree with others, try them all. As you are a DI, its good to get experience of boats so get out there. I would steer you towards a Laser, only cos its in your price range and spares are easy to come by. (IMO)

Rob.e Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 19 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 545	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rob.e Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 May 07 at 7:37pm
	The problem you had with the Contender (ie out of date advert) is a common one, and one the class needs to address: I spoke to the guy on the stand at the dinghy exhibition and he had heard the same from other people. Basically you look on the site and there are a few good looking boats available, but when you phone them they all sold ages ago! I gave up and bought something else, which is a shame, 'cos I still want one! Two boats is enough though.....

Ross Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 02 May 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1163	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ross Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 May 07 at 11:05pm
	Hey guys, need some advice. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&a mp;a mp;sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=280112 636852&rd=1&rd=1 How much would you value it at? Is the rig up to date with modern contender gear? I don't know anything about contender rigging, but from what I have read there seems to be a few different materials and control line set-ups to choose from. Or is it just the mast and boom materials that change? I am slightly confused, to say the least . How different is the above boat compared to this one (apart from the pro grip)? http://www.apolloduck.com/image.phtml?id=60340&image=1 A list of what to look for and what to avoid would be great. Cheers guys, Ross. Edited by Ross

Contender443 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 01 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1211	Post Options Post Reply Quote Contender443 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 May 07 at 7:42am
	Hello Ross 461 looks the better boat - anything made by Wavelength in the rig is good. Also 461 has severalo sails, so one of them must be reasonable. They are both the same make of hull so no difference there. They were build by Rondar and are reasonably solid. Progrip is a must. So spend the extra money and get the newer boat. You would only regret not getting it.
	Bonnie Lass Contender 1764

Black no sugar Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 04 Dec 04 Location: Somewhere between Brighton and Lancing Online Status: Offline Posts: 3941	Post Options Post Reply Quote Black no sugar Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 May 07 at 9:23am
	http://www.sailcontender.org.uk/contender-faqs/what-should-i -look-for-when-buying-secondhand.html This link to an article in the British Contender Association website might be a start. I don't know that particular boat but, from the description, 461 seems to be a good bargain!
	Lancing SC

Contender512 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 03 May 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote Contender512 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 May 07 at 9:35am
	I agree, 461 looks the better boat. From what I can make out from the photos, it looks as if the control lines have been upgraded to modern rigging techniques. Have a look here http://www.contenderworld.de/images/this-old-boat/gil_boats/ index.html for some info on upgrading older Contenders. Much easier to buy one where the upgrades have already been done, particularly changing the kicker from two cleats on the side decks to a single central cleat on a swivel - makes it much easier to adjust.

radial179102 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Posting king Joined: 28 Mar 05 Location: Wales Online Status: Offline Posts: 198	Post Options Post Reply Quote radial179102 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 12 May 07 at 6:48pm
	Right, now for a rant about why you should choose a Europe; I am 5"10 and about 63kg, and boom height is no problem, just for a start, they are quite quick, light (45kg!!) and so responsive it's untrue! There are going to be new UK builders soon (RMW) and the open meetings and nationals numbers are on the increase. They are tweaky fiddly boats but for what you get, they are very cheap. Mine is a top spec Winner hull with a carbon mast, full race kit and brand new control lines. 3 sails of different sorts too, and it was only £1500. Oh and that included roadbase and u/o covers. Mine wasn't necessarily a bargain either, lots of Europes are selling for that price. I am inclined to agree with everyone else though, try lots of different boats, I love the Europe because it's right for me, which may not be the case for you!
	Villan is my Bitch ;)