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    Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 8:45am
Originally posted by rogerd

Thanks.

Thought it might be but didnt want to make a terrible historical gaff

Mirror dinghies now have a historical gaff, too!

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Thanks.

Thought it might be but didnt want to make a terrible historical gaff

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Originally posted by rogerd

Some statemans from history and I dont know who it was said someting like "Jaw Jaw is better than War war.

It was Winston Churchill

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If the beach is close to the club, maybe put up some signs (or even just a bit of wood) and on days where conditions mean coming close inshore put out some sheet/signs saying that Yacht racing will probably involve coming close to the shore today (with a date so people can see it is today) maybe some brief explanation and an apology in advance for disruption to other sportsmen.

Just something like that might reduce the grief as at least the fishermen will realise you have thought about them.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote rogerd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 07 at 8:23am

Thanks for the positive comments.

 GK as a lad I have tacked mirrors inshore against the tide so understand your problem completely. I think the only solution in this situation is to try to be diplomatic and have someone talk to them before the race starts. My point about them being P****sed off was mainly that they cant be expected to understand that the current affects your boat speed. Likewise I havent got a clue about different baits, types of fish, where they feed etc etc.

Some statemans from history and I dont know who it was said someting like "Jaw Jaw is better than War war.

I hope you can resolve the situation but have to agree physical attacks whether its maggots bait or lead weights are very unpleasant.

Just a suggestion is it worth writing to an angling magazine to put your comments out in their world.

 

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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by rogerd

I to have missed most of this thread but have an opinion to offer.


Bloody good post...

Agreed; but much harder to do at a sea club where many of the fishermen are casual and not part of a reconised club.

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Rogerd,

 Seems like your club have worked hard to achieve a reasonable solution to a very tricky problem, good post.

 Our problem is slightly different in that there are no baliffs on the beach to explain the situation to the anglers. The sea anglers tend to be different people each week. During light winds, some boats just will not make it around the course in time if beating upwind against tide unless they go in shore. On the plus side, the fishermen only tend to be there 1.5 or so hrs either side of high tide, upwind leg is not always along the shore or against tide, if it's a neap tide the advantage inshore is minimal. So the  problems we had on Sunday rarely arise. As infuriating as it is to have lead weights hurled at us, in order to avoid escalation the answer is obviously a diplomatic one. If a fisherman is anti social enough to to bomb us with lead then he is probably capable of comming back to the club later and vandalising our boats.

   I think a possible solution would be for the OOD to dispatch a diplomatic party along the beach prior to the race and explain to the anglers that today we would like a turn to play on this part on the coast....... Helpfull responses everyone.



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Originally posted by rogerd

I to have missed most of this thread but have an opinion to offer.


Bloody good post...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rogerd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 07 at 3:28pm

I to have missed most of this thread but have an oppinion to offer. A few years ago the relationship with the fishermen on our puddle was terrible, abuse both verbal and physical was commonplace. We were called to the estate office to explain ourselves and seeing as the income form fishing is around £80,000 and from our little club is less than £10,000 we felt very vulnerable.

We tried to explain that we cannot see floats etc especially when racing but came away very despondent thinking that the lease would be terminated etc.

We now have a very good relationship with the fishermen and the water bailiffs. We held regular meetings with the bailiffs and the land agent. I was appointed as Fishing Liason Officer and walked round talking to the fishermen explaining what we were doing and when it is likely to be busy. We have notices up saying when races start and that it will be busy on the start line at certain times. Also we adopted a zero tolerance to all abusive behaviour from both sides. If a sailor causes a problem the fishermen report the sail number to the bailiff and we will follow it up. We have refunded lost kit to them if we feel the sailor has caused the problem. In return the bailiffs have turned one fisherman off for his continued abuse and things have sttled down.

If you take the time to talk to these guys all they want is to enjoy their sport like we enjoy ours. By offering them help by checking where they have been laying groundbait before you put a racing mark on top of it, collect rods that have drifted off etc etc. we have found that we have reduced the problems and the estate are now much more helpful and open to help us.

We also keep an incident book of all good and bad things that happen.

As for the sea fishermen they maybe had a right to be P****d off they dont understand about tacking inshore from their point of view you have the whole ocean to sail in. I certainly dont know the finer points of fishing.

Basically it boils down to communication. How many of you are happy to shout from your boat but dont take the trouble to go and talk to them if there is a problem.

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Funny how these things crop up!!!  Only this weekend I was coming back in through the Tyne piers whan a fisherman started gesticulating at me to stay further clear of his lines.  Now since I was clear and the fact staying clearer involved dead down-wind in a F5-6 in waves I kinda didn't fancy it after 3 hours on the water.  Now here's the question, his fishing line was extending into the gap between the piers the ends of which technically form the edges of the channel.  Now in these circumstances does the vesel in the channel, eg. me, have rights since i'm in a navigable channel?   
I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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