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    Posted: 11 Apr 07 at 9:14pm

Originally posted by jeffers


Sorry Nick I would have to disagree the L2000 is a cruising/racing dinghy. There is easily room for 3 adults

Oops, misunderstood again.  I meant that the feva and RS200 are small for 2; the L2k is fine.  When on safety duty I've occassionally assisted overpowered Laser 2000 couples back to shore by acting as extra ballast.  Even 3 adults can have fun if there's enough wind.

... but the L2k's still slow and boring in medium winds and uncomfortable to sit on the side of if it's windy enough to perform well.  The gunnals are too sharp for easy hiking and the controls are a long way down in the bottom of the boat.  Bit "sit up and beg" for my tastes .... but many many disagree.

 

 

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Xenon=bathtub, even more so than the vago.

and one thing about rotomoulded boats, they all boast to be low maintenance but if the hull cracks due to being badly designed (older feva hulls) or through lots of use, or it has any big holes in it it will be near impossible to get someone to mend it cost effectively, its cheaper to get a new hull. at least if you do damage glass fibre there are lots of people who know how to repair it, rotomoulded boats are a different story.



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Your initial suggestion of the Vago wasn't that daft - would certainly keep the kids interested longer than a L2000, which are for old women

I'd say see what folk are racing at your local club and get something exciting.  If you get out regularly you'll soon learn how to sail it and your kids will be more inclined to take part.  The Topper Xenon is another option - they look quite interesting and have a reasonable performance, no maintenance, big comfy modern boat etc.

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Originally posted by A Seabadger

It's not too cool to sail for long with a parent. From experience much better to sail with friends (or brothers only if you don't fight). Buy the boys a Feva as a good stepping stone into whatever they want to sail next. They can sail it two up or single handed. Buy yourself a Laser - and a double road trailer!

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the feva would be good for two kids as long as they arent too big, it needs a small crew to get under the boom. you would be hard pushed to get an adult and a child in it and you certainly wouldnt fit 2 adults in it.

RS 200 is probably a bit too ambicous for you, as has already been said its twitchy and more of a racer without room for a third person.

the easiest boat to own (i.e lowest maintenance, easiest to sell on) would be the laser 2000 because you could race that and sail it around with kids but expect your kids to want rid of it or have their own boats shortly.

i dont know about ospreys, never even seen one close up.

perhaps a laser 2000 for a year then a laser each for the kids or feva/200 depending on their size and if they want to sail together still. not sure what you would want to sail.

one more thing to consider is what is sailed at your club because it's much better to have boats of your own class to race against.

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Originally posted by NickA

The RS200 is a rather twitchy two hander for reasonably skilled lightweights.  Significantly racier than the Laser 2000

Neither have room for 3.



Sorry Nick I would have to disagree the L2000 is a cruising/racing dinghy. There is easily room for 3 adults (or 2 adults and 3 children as has been demonstrated) but you could not race one that way.

Some kids do actually like to sail with their parents or even just with someone else. It may be worth seeing if someone at your local club is after a crew, will save you the cost of buying a boat for a while until everyone knows what they want.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote NickA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 07 at 9:24pm

The feva is a pretty good boat for a couple of 13 / 14 yr olds or a single handing adult or an intermediate adult and a preteen.  It's easy to sail. 

The RS200 is a rather twitchy two hander for reasonably skilled lightweights.  Significantly racier than the Laser 2000

Neither have room for 3.

The osprey is a huge muscle boat for big hairy men! (Haven't sailed one to be honest - but they do look that way )

Truth is, you never find a boat that does everything - and the price of a reasonable L2000 (£5000) will get a decent 3000 (£2000), an old laser 1 (£1000) and a pico (£1500) - of course the berthing fees are higher!

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Originally posted by Noobie

just to add to the debate any thoughts on either the RS200 or RS Feva are they totally more advanced for two persons ... i.e. don't run before you can walk ... ??
PS as above please excuse any comments that seem daft I'm in the market for a boat and its a few years since I've taken a look at whats out there (20+) !!!

The RS200 is maybe a bit ambitious - really just a boat for class racing, I'd suggest. The Feva is at the other extreme - too small for you I'd think; a boat of racy appearance for kids. If you want a little boat, I'd support the earlier suggestion of a Miracle over a Feva: faster, lighter, more roomy.

 

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It's not too cool to sail for long with a parent. From experience much better to sail with friends (or brothers only if you don't fight). Buy the boys a Feva as a good stepping stone into whatever they want to sail next. They can sail it two up or single handed. Buy yourself a Laser - and a double road trailer!
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Originally posted by Noobie



From the posts the L2000 seems to be the general opinion ... its just that it looks so big for two people (have to excuse my ignorance) and I believe whatever the family say now about all wanting to be in the boat it will inevitably be two of us and more than likely one adult & one child, Cathrine walking the dog!  The statement "maybe a L2000 for a few years, but expect to trade it in" concerns me.



Don't forget that a well maintained Laser 2000 will hold value really well so it may not cost you much aside from the usual running costs and a bit of TLC.

They are quite large boats be when you get 2 'adult' sized people in the then there is not a huge amount of room for others when you are in full racing mode. However we have a family that go out 5 up and are quite happy with it.

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