High Performance Boats

Hi everyone,

As far as I know, many years ago, there was a Cherub design that measured as a National Twelve in accordance with the National Twelve measurement rules.  I think that some of the problems are with the Twelves 'rise of floor' measurement and the 'shape of sheerline' rules.

Ian  (Yorkshire Dales S.C.)

Originally posted by mike ellis just read through this and noticed someone mentioned making the N12 quicker, surely it wont go that quick will it? i mean its a nice light boat and its quick for a hiker but you wouldnt get it down to 850 with more sail alone. what is the PY for a national 12 anyway? im geussing around 1000-1050

just read through this and noticed someone mentioned making the N12 quicker, surely it wont go that quick will it? i mean its a nice light boat and its quick for a hiker but you wouldnt get it down to 850 with more sail alone. what is the PY for a national 12 anyway? im geussing around 1000-1050

5000 and BOSS have bigger kites than B14s. I don't really see the point in designing a singlewire boat trying to reach levels of performance currently held by twin string boats as with such boats agility across the boat is a key factor and the ability to stay on your feet helps greatly. Sitting down to hike in my opinion would be more demanding and restrictive than hooking on and stepping out, so why over complicate issues by trying to solve a problem with a more difficult solution? The B14 is the exception to this rule, but from what I can remember, most of the 800 fleet opted to sail double wire as it made the boat more competitve and nicer to sail and from what I was told at the time, the helm hiking was more hassle than good and was negative to overall boat dynamics.

I think the 800 STV did have tramps but it's a long way to get out and you're still slower than the normal version. The new 800 deck is designed just for trapezing - the STV isn't available anymore. It is however what Sunsail (and some others I think) use.
Getafix - RS800? Arguably easier to sail than all your options bar the 29er (I haven't sailed all the boats you mention but know people who've sailed all but the Cherub, and being 12ft long won't really help someone learning to twin wire).
On a side note, can Laser still really trade as "Performance Sailcraft Europe"? I think the Vago's pushing the term and the rest I definitely wouldn't describe as performance (of the boats they still actively market).


Edited by CurlyBen