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    Posted: 03 Mar 07 at 1:05am
Follow up to my classes in trouble list, again using the extraordinary blunt implement of Y&Y Championship turnouts to indicate health, this is my list of classes who are growing turnouts wise...

What I've done is compare the average turnout according to the chart from 1998 to 2002 with the average turnout from 2004 through to 2006. I dropped classes which are new or had several missing years to stuff up the numbers.

Solo         23%
Lark         27%
Cherub       29%
Firefly      32%
Mirror       33%
RS200        38%
Splash       54%
LaserRadial 61%
Laser4.7     61%
Topper       63%
Streaker     85%
Phantom      90%
Blaze       216%
Tornado     254%

Well, how about the Tornado eh? Fastest growing Championships in the country...that one was a suprise. Actually I left cats out of the other list, but that number for the big T was worth noting. Its about the only case I've ever seen where a big performance upgrade has upped popularity...

The Cherub position is a bit spurious, the class was having a run of unpopular Champs late 90s. The current numbers are encouraging but not as big a jump as it looks... The RS200 is also a bit misleading as it includes the class kick off.

But basically the growing boats are singlehanders, and mostly singlehanders I wouldn't be seen dead in! Did someone in he other thread suggest that the Solo wasn't doing well? He was wrong!!



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Originally posted by JimC

I dropped classes which are new or had several missing years to stuff up the numbers.

Jim, why drop the new classes, if you wish to comment on growth they are the key areas ...

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Jim, why drop the new classes, if you wish to comment on growth they are the key areas ...

Because in my opinion it doesn't give useful figures for this particular exercise. A class that had 10 boats at its first champs and has topped out at twenty five thereafter looks great on his particular comparison if its first champs were 2002, but mediocre if its first champs were 1998.

And no, I don't see any particular evidence to suggest that new classes are the key area for growth of the sport. There is some suggestion that you get a flavour of the month effect with some sailors moving from currently fashionable boats the next - say I14 - L4000 - RS800 - Musto skiff over the last fifteen years, but if you look at YYs table there are only two classes in the top 25 that weren't holding Champs in 1998... And what's more the two new classes that are in the list are youth classes.

It pains me to say it, but the boats I like and like to sail are in participation terms almost completely irrelevant to the total participation in the sport.
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Originally posted by JimC

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Jim, why drop the new classes, if you wish to comment on growth they are the key areas ...

Because in my opinion it doesn't give useful figures for this particular exercise. A class that had 10 boats at its first champs and has topped out at twenty five thereafter looks great on his particular comparison if its first champs were 2002, but mediocre if its first champs were 1998.

And no, I don't see any particular evidence to suggest that new classes are the key area for growth of the sport. There is some suggestion that you get a flavour of the month effect with some sailors moving from currently fashionable boats the next - say I14 - L4000 - RS800 - Musto skiff over the last fifteen years, but if you look at YYs table there are only two classes in the top 25 that weren't holding Champs in 1998... And what's more the two new classes that are in the list are youth classes.

It pains me to say it, but the boats I like and like to sail are in participation terms almost completely irrelevant to the total participation in the sport.

 

THing is Jim, some new classes like the F16 are having a bit of an explosion at the moment.

The T figs are fantastric, bet the F16 will be similar

Also, what about the F18 were there has been massive growth and now they have limits of Champs numbers ?



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has the Tornado pulled saiors  from (arguably derivative) classes such as the H5.9? - the big performance boost of the current tornado worth the hassle of being 'overwidth' for towing now?
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Simon, the F18s have only got fleet limits on international regattas don't they? According to the Y & Y attendance table, the F18 has grown from 36 boats in 1998, to 38 boats in 2006. The average is 36.

So F16s* and F18s contribute about 50+ of the 5,000 boats that do Nationals in the UK. The Topper alone has grown at three times the rate of the F18 AND F16! The Sprint 15 is arguably growing faster than the F cats. Sure Formula cats are great, but surely the fact that they are just 1%  of the sport and growing much slower than some other classes indicates that they are not a key area of growth.

The success of the T, Blaze, Radial and 4.7 may perhaps show how much better it is to revive a class by gear that can be retro-fitted to existing hulls, rather than introducing changes that make old hulls uncompetitive.

I've only sailed the modern T a couple of days, but it really fits the kite well and was an outstanding candidate; other classes don't do so well.

* Not counting the Spitfire and its average 20 boat fleet.


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Good to see the Blaze on there with a large growth. For information I was chatting to the new builder yesterday and he has already sold the first batch of new boats and is considering having to do a second run. Add to that the fact that you cannot get a secondhand one easily (they are just selling really quickly) and you have a class on the up...

A lot is down to the class association and down to the fact that they have taken on the building (same as all ex Topper GRP boats most of whom have corrected the annoying niggles from Topper and now have great boats).

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Originally posted by CT249

Simon, the F18s have only got fleet limits on international regattas don't they? According to the Y & Y attendance table, the F18 has grown from 36 boats in 1998, to 38 boats in 2006. The average is 36.

So F16s* and F18s contribute about 50+ of the 5,000 boats that do Nationals in the UK. The Topper alone has grown at three times the rate of the F18 AND F16! The Sprint 15 is arguably growing faster than the F cats. Sure Formula cats are great, but surely the fact that they are just 1%  of the sport and growing much slower than some other classes indicates that they are not a key area of growth.

The success of the T, Blaze, Radial and 4.7 may perhaps show how much better it is to revive a class by gear that can be retro-fitted to existing hulls, rather than introducing changes that make old hulls uncompetitive.

I've only sailed the modern T a couple of days, but it really fits the kite well and was an outstanding candidate; other classes don't do so well.

* Not counting the Spitfire and its average 20 boat fleet.

 

I thought this was a thread about growth.....

Year 
1998   no data
1999   no data
2000   no data
2001   no data
2002   no data
2003   no data
2004   no data
2005   6
2006   12
No. of boats

I make that 100% growth.

OK, only 2 years of data, but the event in Mumbles is looking good too.

Jim's stats have removed the F16 because it is new.

I was wrong about the F18's.

 

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There are some boats in the list that you would not expect to be there for defo.  Larks? Fireflys? Laser 4.7?  And what is a Splash?  Have to wonder: 1) Did you mess up the figures. 2) If the figures are correct what on earth explains them....
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nice one on the table and I agree on excluding classes that are only a couple of years old... great to see the Blaze up there, it may not be all that hot when the wind is light but it's a lot of bang for your bucks like Jeffers said and it's simple to own, rig and sail ... but like all good things, a bit of a s$d to master! 
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