Jib for a Phantom

   Has anyone tried fitting a jib to a Phantom? Thinking of something small, in the manner of the Pico jib, were the main function is to give the crew - my kids -  a string to pull on so they don't get bored, rather than actually contributing much.
They both have shown little interest in sailing over the past year, to the point were I can't se any point in keeping the Mirror we have and the associated club/insurance fees which will be best part of £200. But they still will want to sail during the summer. I could hire a Mirror from the waters owners but at £10/hour I'd rather not

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Dangerousday Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 20 Jun 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 79	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dangerousday Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Jib for a Phantom Posted: 30 Jan 07 at 11:30pm
	Has anyone tried fitting a jib to a Phantom? Thinking of something small, in the manner of the Pico jib, were the main function is to give the crew - my kids - a string to pull on so they don't get bored, rather than actually contributing much. They both have shown little interest in sailing over the past year, to the point were I can't se any point in keeping the Mirror we have and the associated club/insurance fees which will be best part of £200. But they still will want to sail during the summer. I could hire a Mirror from the waters owners but at £10/hour I'd rather not Edited by Dangerousday

owain Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 11 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 142	Post Options Post Reply Quote owain Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jan 07 at 11:48pm
	I dont think its ever been done, but im sure its possible. Best bet is probably get a jib off a miracle or similar, and put a trapeze wire style hook at the top, then it can be easily removed. just make sure you dont over sheet the main, as this wont do the mast any good! Yoy may also need to reinforce the bow fitting.
	Owain H 49er GBR055 Fireball 14291 Plymouth Uni Sailing Club & Chelmarsh Sailing Club

tickel Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 21 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 408	Post Options Post Reply Quote tickel Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 07 at 9:54pm
	Am I not correct in saying that a Phantom main is the same as a Fireball. If it is use a Fireball jib. It might make the boat bear away all the time though.
	tickel

Worthy Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 511	Post Options Post Reply Quote Worthy Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 07 at 10:07pm
	Uneducated comment...... Is a phantom a stayed rig or an unstayed rig? If unstayed you may have real issues with jib luff tension depending on mainsheet tension.

Merlinboy Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 03 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3169	Post Options Post Reply Quote Merlinboy Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Jan 07 at 10:34pm
	Phantom rig is stayed.

Dangerousday Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 20 Jun 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 79	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dangerousday Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 01 Feb 07 at 9:57am
	Having had a further thought on it, I don't think the mast (needlespar) actually belongs to the boat as the stays are too short to reach the plates without the use of a long shackle. Maybe it is from a fireball as the main seems to fit it ok. The boat is a very old one anyway (#490 ish) and a previous owner obviously decided it wasn't heavy enough and has covered the entire hull in a layer of grp. Guess that makes it a composite hull Was a cheap buy, more to see if I liked the class (love it!) before shelling out for a newer boat and never intended anything more than pottering about anyway.

jeffers Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048	Post Options Post Reply Quote jeffers Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 01 Feb 07 at 10:31am
	The Phantom main is a slightly cut down version of a Fireball main. Although given the recent developments I would say the 2 sails are no longer as alike as they used to be. Regards, Paul
	Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74

Merlinboy Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 03 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3169	Post Options Post Reply Quote Merlinboy Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 01 Feb 07 at 10:42am
	No my phantom north sail looked nothing like a fireball main

allanorton Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 21 Nov 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 228	Post Options Post Reply Quote allanorton Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 01 Feb 07 at 3:07pm
	Contenders look as though there's plenty of room for a jib, they're certainly built stong enough to take one, I reckon you'd get about 505 pace upwind with one.

No. 5 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Posting king Joined: 07 Jul 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 115	Post Options Post Reply Quote No. 5 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 02 Feb 07 at 5:19pm
	That's something I've thought about, perhaps with a self tacking arrangement as there is already a fair bit to do when tacking.