Jib for a Phantom
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Topic: Jib for a Phantom
Posted By: Dangerousday
Subject: Jib for a Phantom
Date Posted: 30 Jan 07 at 11:30pm
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Has anyone tried fitting a jib to a Phantom? Thinking of something small, in the manner of the Pico jib, were the main function is to give the crew - my kids - a string to pull on so they don't get bored, rather than actually contributing much. They both have shown little interest in sailing over the past year, to the point were I can't se any point in keeping the Mirror we have and the associated club/insurance fees which will be best part of £200. But they still will want to sail during the summer. I could hire a Mirror from the waters owners but at £10/hour I'd rather not |
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Posted By: owain
Date Posted: 30 Jan 07 at 11:48pm
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I dont think its ever been done, but im sure its possible. Best bet is probably get a jib off a miracle or similar, and put a trapeze wire style hook at the top, then it can be easily removed. just make sure you dont over sheet the main, as this wont do the mast any good! Yoy may also need to reinforce the bow fitting. ------------- Owain H 49er GBR055 Fireball 14291 Plymouth Uni Sailing Club & Chelmarsh Sailing Club |
Posted By: tickel
Date Posted: 31 Jan 07 at 9:54pm
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Am I not correct in saying that a Phantom main is the same as a Fireball. If it is use a Fireball jib. It might make the boat bear away all the time though. ------------- tickel |
Posted By: Worthy
Date Posted: 31 Jan 07 at 10:07pm
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Uneducated comment...... Is a phantom a stayed rig or an unstayed rig? If unstayed you may have real issues with jib luff tension depending on mainsheet tension. ------------- |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 31 Jan 07 at 10:34pm
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Phantom rig is stayed. ------------- |
Posted By: Dangerousday
Date Posted: 01 Feb 07 at 9:57am
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Having had a further thought on it, I don't think the mast (needlespar) actually belongs to the boat as the stays are too short to reach the plates without the use of a long shackle. Maybe it is from a fireball as the main seems to fit it ok. The boat is a very old one anyway (#490 ish) and a previous owner obviously decided it wasn't heavy enough and has covered the entire hull in a layer of grp. Guess that makes it a composite hull Was a cheap buy, more to see if I liked the class (love it!) before shelling out for a newer boat and never intended anything more than pottering about anyway. |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 01 Feb 07 at 10:31am
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The Phantom main is a slightly cut down version of a Fireball main. Although given the recent developments I would say the 2 sails are no longer as alike as they used to be. Regards, Paul ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 01 Feb 07 at 10:42am
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No my phantom north sail looked nothing like a fireball main ------------- |
Posted By: allanorton
Date Posted: 01 Feb 07 at 3:07pm
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Contenders look as though there's plenty of room for a jib, they're certainly built stong enough to take one, I reckon you'd get about 505 pace upwind with one. ------------- |
Posted By: No. 5
Date Posted: 02 Feb 07 at 5:19pm
| That's something I've thought about, perhaps with a self tacking arrangement as there is already a fair bit to do when tacking. |
Posted By: owain
Date Posted: 02 Feb 07 at 6:18pm
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At the fireball nationals a few years ago, im pretty sure that one guy used a phantom main. It cant be far off the same size, as it had to get measured to sail in the event ------------- Owain H 49er GBR055 Fireball 14291 Plymouth Uni Sailing Club & Chelmarsh Sailing Club |
Posted By: Dangerousday
Date Posted: 02 Feb 07 at 9:31pm
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A self tackers an interesting idea, though I suspect that I would have a temptation for it to go from 'just for the kids to play with' to a 'the winds quite light, I can manage it by myself and hike a bit harder' Theres also an old broken fibreglass mast at the back of the dinghy park, and I've got a raggy aysmmetric off an MX-Ray.......... |
Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 02 Feb 07 at 9:49pm
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I was going to rig a Laser 4000 jib onto my Contender with a basic selftacking system , but It was taller than the forestay. So as I didn't want to drill any more holes in the mast I didn't bother, but if you can get a smaller jib it's not difficult to do. My plan was to just replace the forestay with a rope forestay and a cleat at the bottom, putting a wire up the front of the jib, with a block on a "T" hook in the mast for it to run through ------------- 49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)! http://www.grafham.org/" rel="nofollow - Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
Posted By: tickel
Date Posted: 02 Feb 07 at 11:40pm
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I once had a thing called a Zoom which had been abandoned at a distant club. It had two mast positions and two shroud positions, one for single sail and one for a jib as well. It came with no sails and so I fitted an old lightning main and a laser two jib. Rig tension when single sailing was achieved with an old jib wire with a 2x2x1 and a trap adjuster and when using 2 sails I fitted a halliard rack
on the jib halliard. To tension it all up you could haul in on the forestay, hook on the rack and away you went. Well, not me but my mate did, and it seemed quite effective. Very laser like. Sold it on ebay! Has anyone ever seen one? It was a very professional moulding. ------------- tickel |