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Hobbo ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Jun 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 211 |
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The foil bags within boxes of wine. Fun to obtain and very effective.
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owain ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 142 |
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We used to sail our 49er with a milk bottle on the top, it didnt stop us goin turtle, but gave us a extra few seconds to get onto the centreboard. I know of a few solo sailers who take off the heel plug on the mast, and fill them with ping pong balls and then put it back on, seems to work a treat, and they are completely hidden and dont obstruct with halyards ect. worth a try id say!
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English Dave ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 06 Location: Northern Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 682 |
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You have mentioned this before on other threads, Jim and I'm curious to know what boat it was that got away from you. I had a similar experience when I first sailed a Vortex on Belfst Lough - and that was without mast floatation! I didn't actually need rescuing but many thanks to al the curtain-twitchers of Ballyholme for calling out the RLNI anyway! For boats that float very high in the water when on their side I can see your reasoning. A GP doesn't fall into that category, I think so they should be all right. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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The worst experience was in a Cherub, but I've noticed that a Canoe will get away too. Bethwaite says that he started making sure his boats inverted by design after two fatalities in Port Philip bay in Aus, I think in Moths. But any boat with sidetanks will blow away reasonably fast : try it in a Force4 in anything you care... Edited by JimC |
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dopamine ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 26 Oct 06 Location: Burkina Faso Online Status: Offline Posts: 68 |
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The Topper masthead floats do work in that they slow the inversion. If one of you can get on the board quickly then they do actually help keep the boat balanced and it can be easily righted by a fairly light person. If you go in for a windward capsize (as in numpty helm losing his grip of the sheet) then it's gonna turtle. |
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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More often than not, people who are learning to sail or relatively inexperienced aren't "quick" enough, hence the reason I've probably seen a good few Topper boats with inflatable floats up the mast instead of the designed system. I'd bet it's even written into some centres standard operating procedures to use the alternative method. Jim makes a very good point, I don't think there is anything wrong with boats inverting on coastal locations, especially when they are quite bulky and have an air pocket underneath them when inverted. |
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Ian99 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 138 |
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I'd agree with that, it's usually the weight of the people on the boat that make the boat invert. The resistance of the sail going through the water means that you've probably got at least 30 seconds on pretty much any boat if nobody is hanging onto it before it goes beyond lying on its side. Having got back into a Laser recently after sailing boats a lot less wobbly on the run, I've had a couple of fast windward capsizes (the sort which make people look round because of the "Bang" as the mast hits the water!). Neither time did the boat turtle, probably because I went straight into the water, underneath the gunwhale (under the water) and onto the centreboard rather than attempting a "dry" capsize. However, for unsupervised novices such as people hiring club boats, particularly on a shallow lake, a large inflatable item tied to the top of the mast is a good idea as otherwise the rescue boats spend all day towing masts out of the mud. It doesn't do the sails much good either! |
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tickel ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 408 |
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It is interesting to hear that Frank Bethwaite intends his designs to invert "for safety reasons". Perhaps he should pay for our 2 Tasar topmasts rather than Noble.
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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Think for classes like the 49er, 29er etc, designing the boat to invert is a very safe design feature. The 49er especially has a lot of windage when on its side, probably higher than quite a few dinghy classes, so if you go over and the boat stays on its side, unless you are in constant contact with the boat, it will sail away from you at a considerable rate when the wind is up. Not so much a problem on a pond but a serious issue on a coastal location. Tidal drift can also be a problem, although a boat will tend to drift with the tide relative to your own body's drift, therefore, wind created drift poses the most danger. Isn't so much of an issue with the Tasar, although they are beamy and quite susceptible to wind drift, but as Jim says, doesn't really matter which boat you sail in certain wind conditions, they will all drift on their side. The difference is that if a crew memeber becomes detached from a capsized boat, it's fairly easy to right something like a Tasar single handed and sail after them to pick them up. Trying that manouvere in a 49er when it has been windy enough to force you over may be beyond the limits of most sailors, hence why minimalising the likelihood of crew dettachment is very important.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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I think Noble would rather pay out for 1,000 top masts rather than 2 fatalities... The latter makes for very serious sized claims. Edited by JimC |
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