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    Posted: 29 Nov 06 at 9:09pm

The Tasar was designed by Frank for a crew weight of 130 kg. But will easily remain competitive at 140 Kg. I sailed my 35 year old Tasar with new Mylars and combined crew weight of 160Kg into 10th position in this years round Sheppy race only being beaten by Cats an international canoe and a Fireball. So it can be competitive with more weight given the right conditions. The Tasar is now produced by Bethwaite Boats and imported into the UK by Signal Locker based in Lymington. We had 47 boats at our Nationals in Cornwall which demonstrates the class is very much alive and Kicking

 

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>>Well you named it already- the g'day bruce tasar!<<

Tasar, fine boat But didn't Frank B design it for a boy and girl to sail. What is needed is a 2 sailor that copes with 150 kees not 110
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Originally posted by gordon

Just been re-reading in an old(ish) copy of Y&Y  the Test of the Albacore.


There are probably more classes, but significantly in the above list no design is recent.

 

Is the market saturated by such a plethora of fantastic boats or can't the major manufacturers be bothered?

Gordon

 

How about a boat with a closed cell foam sandwich hull, under 65kg, kevlar /e-glass, a wing mast, the comfiest hiking you will find, upwind planing and a 2005 designed set of new mylars?

Made by proctors, to order.

Well you named it already- the g'day bruce tasar!

The thing is that assym's are so easy to hoist and manage that two sail boats are kind of lost IMHO, despite the fact that a tasar sailed well will eat :

RS200s, vareos, Laser 2000/ 3000 etc and some others in the right puffy stuff.

I think assym's have really opened up sailing to a faster learning curve and bascially, more fun per quid/buck/krone and per hour of precious leisure time.

People who buy around the 1010-1040 assym are often using them to learn on, to get on up to sub 1000 PY assyms later.

 

 

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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow


cough.... it's got three sails.

RS400 is for MR sailors that didn't sail an MR becasue a Merlin Rocket is  Restricted Dev Boat and got all wobblerly over spending £15k on something that they felt would get out dated.

Three sails.....oddly enough, I'd noticed. Get with the plot here. It's an analogy. We are talking about SMOD clones of development classes now.

RS400 wasn't for MR sailors. They weren't the ones who bought them. Similarly, a SMOD clone of a N12 wouldn't be bought by N12 sailors. The market, if there is one, comes from another group.



According to Phil M, the 400 was designed for a wide variety of people specifically including "overweight" MR sailors. He notes, as Stefan says, that the MR sailors didn't buy them.
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Originally posted by Rupert

There was a SMOD clone of the N12 in 1946. It did
pretty well!


BTW, the Firefly isn't just for lovers team racing - plenty of other stuff
going on...



Yeah... I know the Fire Fly has loads eles going on... one being the 194?
Olympic single hander!?

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Originally posted by m_liddell

I've heard that the lark is also derived from an (old) N12. Is this true?

Yes, Mike Jackson was a 12 designer who had lots of good ideas. The Lark and the 200 both have a spinnaker added, of course, which possibly confirms the theory that the 2 sailed classes are well catered for already. We mustn't forget the Graduate in all this, too, designed by 12 builders.

 

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FWIW, i belive that if the 59er had been marketed as a two sailer it would more likley have taken off as a class over here. In most respects the spinnakerized 59er was too fast for most inland lake sailors and having to follow the apparent wind really isn't possible on most lakes. However the ultimate turbo charged enterprise would certainly have garnered a lot of interest from Ent and Alb sailors that I know
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Originally posted by DiscoBall

Originally posted by Rupert


There was a SMOD clone of the N12 in 1946. It did pretty well!

BTW, the Firefly isn't just for lovers team racing - plenty of other stuff going on...

And the 200 shares a certain resemblance to a 1970s Morrisson N12 design, so maybe the manufacturers consider that RS have got that area of the market covered too well already?

I've heard that the lark is also derived from an (old) N12. Is this true?

Originally posted by tickel

What is a USB ?

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I think the rise in popularity of singlehanders (Laser, MPS etc.) is due to people having much less free time than before. Getting two people's schedules to match AND the wind/tide to be right means far fewer possible sailing days. Many people with double handed boats seesm to have access to a singlehander. Rigging skiff-type double handers in a pain and takes ages too.



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Originally posted by Rupert

There was a SMOD clone of the N12 in 1946. It did pretty well!

BTW, the Firefly isn't just for lovers team racing - plenty of other stuff going on...



And the 200 shares a certain resemblance to a 1970s Morrisson N12 design, so maybe the manufacturers consider that RS have got that area of the market covered too well already?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Calum_Reid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Oct 06 at 10:46pm
Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by gordon

In the Star the process is somewhat different: the best crew weight is the highest weight allowed by the class rules, and everybody tries to be at that weight. If the class rules allowed more weight all crews would increase their weight, and the boat would go faster.
I believe that's true for most leadmines.


Yes it is, otherwise the only people sailing keelboats competively would be very large and invariably male. Gordon seems to be arguing that the Star is unusual in having a weight limit; that is not the case.




Yes i know all about weight limits in lead mines no food from wed - sat and a weigh in strip to boxers. We went from 13kg over the limit (350kg) to 6 under in that time between 5 people. Man did my pasta breackfast at 8:04am taste good.
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