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    Posted: 28 Oct 06 at 10:49pm
What is a USB ?
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Originally posted by tickel

What is a USB ?


USP.... Unique Selling Point.
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cough.... it's got three sails.

RS400 is for MR sailors that didn't sail an MR becasue a Merlin Rocket is  Restricted Dev Boat and got all wobblerly over spending £15k on something that they felt would get out dated.

Three sails.....oddly enough, I'd noticed. Get with the plot here. It's an analogy. We are talking about SMOD clones of development classes now.

RS400 wasn't for MR sailors. They weren't the ones who bought them. Similarly, a SMOD clone of a N12 wouldn't be bought by N12 sailors. The market, if there is one, comes from another group.
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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

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cough.... it's got three sails.

RS400 is for MR sailors that didn't sail an MR becasue a Merlin Rocket is  Restricted Dev Boat and got all wobblerly over spending £15k on something that they felt would get out dated.

Three sails.....oddly enough, I'd noticed. Get with the plot here. It's an analogy. We are talking about SMOD clones of development classes now.

RS400 wasn't for MR sailors. They weren't the ones who bought them. Similarly, a SMOD clone of a N12 wouldn't be bought by N12 sailors. The market, if there is one, comes from another group.



Mate... take it with a pinch of salt will you. You're the one that's telling me it's an anology. If you read my post properly you have realised I didn't say it was MR sailors that bought them, but people that would like a boat like a MR but didn't want to buy one becasue they are expensive and a Restric Dev class.

I've spent nearly 25 years selling stuff for big brands - and although I have no involvement with RS i think I know what I'm talking about. What do you do for a living?
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There was a SMOD clone of the N12 in 1946. It did pretty well!

BTW, the Firefly isn't just for lovers team racing - plenty of other stuff going on...
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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by gordon

In the Star the process is somewhat different: the best crew weight is the highest weight allowed by the class rules, and everybody tries to be at that weight. If the class rules allowed more weight all crews would increase their weight, and the boat would go faster.
I believe that's true for most leadmines.


Yes it is, otherwise the only people sailing keelboats competively would be very large and invariably male. Gordon seems to be arguing that the Star is unusual in having a weight limit; that is not the case.




Yes i know all about weight limits in lead mines no food from wed - sat and a weigh in strip to boxers. We went from 13kg over the limit (350kg) to 6 under in that time between 5 people. Man did my pasta breackfast at 8:04am taste good.
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Originally posted by Rupert

There was a SMOD clone of the N12 in 1946. It did pretty well!

BTW, the Firefly isn't just for lovers team racing - plenty of other stuff going on...



And the 200 shares a certain resemblance to a 1970s Morrisson N12 design, so maybe the manufacturers consider that RS have got that area of the market covered too well already?
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Originally posted by DiscoBall

Originally posted by Rupert


There was a SMOD clone of the N12 in 1946. It did pretty well!

BTW, the Firefly isn't just for lovers team racing - plenty of other stuff going on...

And the 200 shares a certain resemblance to a 1970s Morrisson N12 design, so maybe the manufacturers consider that RS have got that area of the market covered too well already?

I've heard that the lark is also derived from an (old) N12. Is this true?

Originally posted by tickel

What is a USB ?

Universal serial Bus

I think the rise in popularity of singlehanders (Laser, MPS etc.) is due to people having much less free time than before. Getting two people's schedules to match AND the wind/tide to be right means far fewer possible sailing days. Many people with double handed boats seesm to have access to a singlehander. Rigging skiff-type double handers in a pain and takes ages too.



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FWIW, i belive that if the 59er had been marketed as a two sailer it would more likley have taken off as a class over here. In most respects the spinnakerized 59er was too fast for most inland lake sailors and having to follow the apparent wind really isn't possible on most lakes. However the ultimate turbo charged enterprise would certainly have garnered a lot of interest from Ent and Alb sailors that I know
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Originally posted by m_liddell

I've heard that the lark is also derived from an (old) N12. Is this true?

Yes, Mike Jackson was a 12 designer who had lots of good ideas. The Lark and the 200 both have a spinnaker added, of course, which possibly confirms the theory that the 2 sailed classes are well catered for already. We mustn't forget the Graduate in all this, too, designed by 12 builders.

 
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