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Rossiter Pintail Mortagne sur Gironde, near Bordeaux |
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Iain C ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1113 |
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I sailed a two sail dinghy once. It felt fast and responsive upwind. It also presented a tactical option on the first donwind leg, either pretnd in the bar later that it was a bit tight, or go back tail between legs and attach the kite...
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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What circumstances would those be then?
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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Yes it is, otherwise the only people sailing keelboats competively would be very large and invariably male. Gordon seems to be arguing that the Star is unusual in having a weight limit; that is not the case.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Firefly crewing! Amazing how common it is to marry your crew in the Firefly class...It is the best way to keep a good crew...Then kids come along and you are back to square one...Still, my six year old has started crewing now, so things may be on the up again! |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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As for SMOD 2 sailed boats, the Firefly is one, of course! Topper tried to bring out the Topaz Duo a few years ago, but that was just horrible. Maybe the reason is that 2 sailed boats tend not to be about absolute speed, but about close quarters sailing, and the advances in boat design recently with asymmetics have been all about speed in a breeze. Certainly, on a small lake in the light stuff it is difficult to beat an Albacore or Firefly on the water, let alone on handicap. And the only ones who can sometimes are Ents and 12's. On the sea in a bit of breeze, it is a different story, of course, which is why there are 49ers out there!
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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Reckon another possibility for the big manufacturers not investing in the 2 sail market is because there are already good boats out there auch as the Albacore, N12, Enterprise, Tasar and Firefly. Building and developing a like SMOD to the N12, for example, would be very difficult and then you'd have to invest some heavy marketing to shift sailors from the class into the SMOD. It's probably the same reason that the focus has shifted from the High Performance market to the training market with the big manufacturers, because its an easier market to target and less investment in development and build cost have to be made.
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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that's more to do with volume, as much as you get volume dinghy production. But I'm sure you are right about the 2 sail maket. Unless you develop a big technical innovation it would be a hard sell. |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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I don't think it works like that. Consider the RS400 and Merlin Rocket; the first more or less a copy of the latter, and from a prolific MR designer. The RS400 attracted plenty of sailors but not, with a few exceptions, out of the MR fleet.
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BBSCFaithfull ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1251 |
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Last sunday i was sailing the 14 with 2 sails (because the 49er kite was rigged wrong :( ) And my temp crew and i were absolutely flying. When u overtake windsurfers you know ur doing some speed!
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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cough.... it's got three sails. RS400 is for MR sailors that didn't sail an MR becasue a Merlin Rocket is Restricted Dev Boat and got all wobblerly over spending £15k on something that they felt would get out dated. Weak minded cheap skates!!! ( don't flame me for that its a joke ) 2 sail boats need a very srong USP. N12 - you love developing and fidderling. FireFly - you love team racing Tasar - you want a rotating rig and don't want a Cat :-) and let's face it a Tasar is almost a SMOD So like I said you'ed need a techical innovation, like hydrofoils to sell it in large enough amounts for a manufacture to put the budget behind it. Especially when alot of ther production is geared towards holidays and schools. |
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