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    Posted: 28 Oct 06 at 11:07am
As for SMOD 2 sailed boats, the Firefly is one, of course! Topper tried to bring out the Topaz Duo a few years ago, but that was just horrible. Maybe the reason is that 2 sailed boats tend not to be about absolute speed, but about close quarters sailing, and the advances in boat design recently with asymmetics have been all about speed in a breeze. Certainly, on a small lake in the light stuff it is difficult to beat an Albacore or Firefly on the water, let alone on handicap. And the only ones who can sometimes are Ents and 12's. On the sea in a bit of breeze, it is a different story, of course, which is why there are 49ers out there!
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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by tickel

Wives are no use exept in exeptional circumstances 

What circumstances would those be then?

 

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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by gordon

In the Star the process is somewhat different: the best crew weight is the highest weight allowed by the class rules, and everybody tries to be at that weight. If the class rules allowed more weight all crews would increase their weight, and the boat would go faster.


I believe that's true for most leadmines.

Yes it is, otherwise the only people sailing keelboats competively would be very large and invariably male. Gordon seems to be arguing that the Star is unusual in having a weight limit; that is not the case.

 



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Originally posted by tickel

Wives are no use exept in exeptional circumstances 

What circumstances would those be then?

 

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I sailed a two sail dinghy once.  It felt fast and responsive upwind.  It also presented a tactical option on the first donwind leg, either pretnd in the bar later that it was a bit tight, or go back tail between legs and attach the kite...
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The trouble with most 2 sail boats is that you need at least one friend. Wives are no use exept in exeptional circumstances and finding crew/helm who will stay together can be dificult. I am at least lucky to have been sailing with a miserable self centred bastard for the last 5 years. We carry on because no one else will take us on, exept the Tasar Nats when I sailed with my daughters boyfreind who tried to kill me. We do have two things in common, we are both crap and we have 9 children between us, 5 of his and 4 of mine. I can see no escape from this misery and we own half the Tasar each. Hey ho thats life.
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I agree. I will be away for a few days but wheni get back I will post my thoughts on weight limits and the decreasing size of sailors.

To get back to the 2-sail dinghies. There seems to be a lot of people sailing them, a big demand for tactical sailing (downwind legs become nautical chess-games when a gybe incurs no speed penalty). So why aren't the SMOD builders interested?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 4:33pm
Originally posted by gordon

In the Star the process is somewhat different: the best crew weight is the highest weight allowed by the class rules, and everybody tries to be at that weight. If the class rules allowed more weight all crews would increase their weight, and the boat would go faster.


I believe that's true for most leadmines.
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i'd class at mid weight bloke at about 80-85 kg. You're particularly tall, Gordon, but I doubt many people would fit in your redisigned average. i'm 180cm and 63kg- and there are full grown men a lot smaller and lighter than me.

I agree ther should be a true heavyweight dinghy, but would there be a big enough market? I think the current option is to go into something like an RS400 and get a crew/helm of a size that combined you are the correct weight.
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