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    Posted: 09 Oct 06 at 8:21am
Originally posted by foaminatthedeck

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I know this has probably been said before, but I reckon that any safety boat should have at least a driver and one crew for many reasons, mainly the driver's visibility not encompassing 360 degrees all the time and the manouverability of the rib driver on the boat being only as far as the kill-chord can stretch. A rescue boat driver drives and the crew does the other tasks such as picking up bouys (literally, not the manovere), fending off, tying boats onto tow ropes etc, and if there is only the driver (one person) on the boat, it seriously reduces the safety of the boat whilst providing rescue cover. I never wear a life-jacket on anything but a yacht, all the rest of the time its bouyancy aids. If a crew of a rescue boat accidently inflates their life-jacket, it seriously reduces their manoverability and effectiveness, with bouyancy aids you simply don't have that problem.

I dissgaree id rather be on my own another person just gets in my way, i can do things faster and better on my own. If the safety of the safety boat is reduced because im on my own as an SI Id be wondering what I and a fleet was doing on the water(rather than in the pub)in those conditions.

I agree with BA's in safety boats as a driver you always need to be ready to go swimming. As for not wearing personal bouyancy in a yacht, hey its your funeral.

In a comercial cetting its not posisble to have 2 people in a boat, but on the other hand most comercial driver are better train and more experence than the club driver.IMHO  

The RYA say the best way to save someone involved in an entrapment situation is to right the boat as quickly as possible. If there is only one person on board the safety boat I don't see how this is possible.
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Still trying to find out HOW to use the towing bridle.Internet search produced bridle details and diagrams ,but I am unable to find anything regarding the practicality of using one. No way am I tying off the tow rope on the bridle ring.I may well want to cast that tow off urgently.So how do I secure the tow rope onto the ring NOT THE BOAT in such a way that i can disengage instantly without first stopping the boat ?

Why do you want to be able to release the tow rope from the towing boat whilst driving along? I can't see how this would ever be helpful - all it would result in would be the towed boat drifting over a load of loose rope and getting it caught round its rudder. You also end up losing your tow rope. The non secured end of the towline would normally be on the boat being towed, which then once released the rope doesn't get knotted up in anything as the water holds it out straight. Most towlines on bridles I have ever seen have a large carabina spliced onto one end. This then clips onto directly onto the bridle. This is "quick release" enough to deal with problems like getting the towed boat caught round mooring buoys or it capsizing, where the first thing you do is stop anyway.

If you really want an "in emergency pull cord" solution to detach the towline whilst moving along, it can only really be done when the towline is attached within the boat, anything on the bridle increases the risk of a loose end of rope becoming caught round the prop. A safety boat I used to use (18 foot dory) had a 3 foot high 4 inch square section metal post mounted directly in the centre of the boat from its previous life as a boat used to tow parascenders. This was ideal for towing boats as it had been mounted in such a position as to not affect the steering - after all, towing a parachute with someone hanging off it at 30 knots is significantly more critical and difficult than towing a small dinghy at 5 knots!
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Hmmmm .........................................................

We do seem to be going round and around and around ...................... beginning to suspect a TROLL here.  

Best boat (as in title of the thread)? What ever does the job .............. with whoever is willing to rock up and give it a go!!
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 An instructor has pointed out to me that Quick release of the tow line gets a mention in the RYA safety boat handbook.So,having dusted off my ancient copy I found the brief sentence ' The knot securing the towline should be capable of quick release.'  pp25 'Securing the towline' ..... or 'make one end of the bridle capable of quick release.'    Am reliably informed that the RNLI use a quick release system on their RIBS. A crewman holds onto the towrope through a 'descender' 

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sorry Ian99 for highjacking your posting.Cant figure out how to lift a quote...yet.
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All our towropes are secured to the rib and we give the end to the crew and tell them to take a turn around the mast and hold onto it. Then if there are any problems they have the choice to let go or hold on. We never tie the towed boat to the rib. If there is no mast you can still tow by taking a turn around the bottom of the forestay or as we did with my 49er put the wing over the side of the rib and hold it there to tow it in.
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okay I give in. I will have to assume that none of us use towing bridles,and its probably because other options are easier.
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The boats I've driven all have towing bridles I just tie on to them using a couple of half hitches (reasonalby quick releace).
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On some of the boats I've used, the tow ropes have had climbing carribeanas(?..hooks) attached to clip onto a loop on the towing bridal. Saves fiddling about with knots at the back of a rescue boat. If I'm instructing and have a fleet of boats, ie 6 toppers to look after, I can prepare a tow line on-shore with loops at set spaces for painters to be tied on to, reckon 2-3 boat spaces is the distance I've used before (off the top of my head). However, covering a varried fleet, you can't be so specific so unless you can be sure that you are specifically covering a certain fleet like 6 toppers, its pointless preparing a towline that specific.
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following yet another redesigned prop,we the drivers are considering wearing badges showing our individual strikes, a bit like a fighter pilot records his 'kills'.No one injured,just a load of rock hopping! Need to retain some sense of humour to do the job, but are we being a little too flippant

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