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Laser 28 - Excellent example of this great design Hamble le rice |
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Rossiter Pintail Mortagne sur Gironde, near Bordeaux |
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m_liddell ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 583 |
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He said "I am 16 and 58kg, and my bro is 57kg". They would have issues even righting a 14, some of the older ones even have Al masts making this problem worse! 14s don't need a lot of wind to be fun downwind. You can be blasting around twin wiring without too much breeze at all |
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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Very good point Mark, not sure about the Boss but if its anything like the 5000, it will be near impossible to right with 110kg (odd) on the board. Had two of us weighing over 140kg hanging off a righting line and the thing seeming to take an eternity to right. I can right the 49er with my own weight (77kg) on the board but reckon it wouldn't be possible in any wind with a 5000. Spice may be an option but if that's the case, why not just buy a cheap 4000 and save the money for a 800 or wait till you have more weight and buy a 5k, 49er, Boss, etc. Although the 4k is single wire, its much nicer to sail than the Spice, better performance and at least there would be other boats to race against. |
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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SetSail ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 100 |
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Don't get me wrong, the spice isn't fantastic, but for lightweight crews looking for a twin wire experience, cheap up keep and fun, its pretty good. Under powered is what its supposed to be so its more manageable. It is worth the consideration in my opinion, despite the cons, which im sure im about to get a list of as long as my arm....
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RS821 - Now for sale, PM for details
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Granite ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 May 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 476 |
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The trouble is that underpowered is the last thing you want in a twin string boat. If you have to wait till its dogs off chains to get two stringing it is just not worth the hastle and you would be quicker sailing it single string. |
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If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right
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m_liddell ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 583 |
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There really is a gap in the market for a fun but easy to learn twin wire boat now. I guess the problem is, is that people will spend a season in it and move on to an 800. This may have been why the 3k had bad times, people sailed it a bit and then got good enough for the 4k/whatever. |
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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It's only underpowered if you are to heavy. Same as any boat. I would agree with SetSail that the Spice isn't the greatest performance boat in the world... but for cheap summer fun sailing on some nice swell in a 3 /4 off St Mawes it would be great, low cost, low mainternace and low on the RNLI's list of things to do that day... cos it's managable in pretty much all conditions. I'd be happy with that sailing unsupported. Edited by Jack Sparrow |
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sailorguy ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 164 |
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seems like spice is the way to go then... underpowered is fine for our first twin trapeze boat, and we do not want to be going too fast 'cos st mawes bay is not that big! |
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RS 500 (twin wire)
Laser 157607 Laser 85446 Pico 2136 |
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combat wombat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 345 |
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At your weight you won't be underpowered in the Spice. Having
said that, there aren't many about racing - its the Iso/Buzz/Spice/Boss
open at my club this weekend, and think I only saw two Spice's.
No Boss' turned up FYI. Loads of ISO's and Buzzes however.
Spice looks nice enough, heard its slow upwind but its twin trap, so when you're a bit heavier you can get a 5000, which is an excellent step towards the 18ft Skiff... If you have ambitions. |
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B14 GBR 772
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timnoyce ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 04 Location: Hampshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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Or there is another cherub for sale on the website. HERE It's got a pukka 97 rules rig and is a quick design. Think it needs a bit of DIY to get it on the water but she will be a real weapon specially if you get the hang of it! I'm sure there are enough people about locally depending on where you live who could get you on the water in a weekend or a few evenings.
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BEARFOOT DESIGN
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